Dub: Massive Attack "No Protection" Mad Professor

firby · 30th December 2006, 07:16 AM

Hi. Love this one. Its all that Lee Perry Vibe but maybe a little more digital.

So. Uh. How do I do it ? I have started and went this far. I have a delay Symetrix 606 on a stereo aux that returns to 23 + 24 of my 8 buss board. So I can flip open the aux sends on those channels to feedback through the unit. I have a reverb unit digtial TC Elec M300 on that returns on 21-22 of the board.

I can do a little bit of dub delays and I can do the feedback thing by opening a aux on the return channels. What else is there to this production ? A biphase perhaps ? Where do I learn the dirt on this stuff ? I need to get what I need to get and get to learning what I need to learn to satisfy this bug.

Please point me to the fountain of dub because I am hooked, at least for a while.

TIA slutz.

Vari-Mu · 30th December 2006, 08:06 AM

Check out Mad Professor's website ( Ariwa) ...there are pics of his various setups over the years.

Dub is longer on imagination than equipment though....

Cheers

Vari-Mu

robd · 30th December 2006, 12:10 PM

check out the dub scrolls

http://www.interruptor.ch/dub.shtml

pan · 30th December 2006, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robd

check out the dub scrolls

Thank you for that link!

"Quite often limitations of the equipment are the source of new ideas or improvisations leading to a fresh new sound."

James Guitar · 30th December 2006, 02:39 PM

i did a two week tour with the mad professor and i don't recall anything extraordinary about his rig. i will look back at the photos and see if there was anything special i missed...
-J

Samc · 30th December 2006, 03:57 PM

This is one genre where the gear is really secondary.

Yourknowledge of the music, and your own skills/artisry and inventiveness count a lot more.

Good dub mixers don't generally need to use a lot of effects boxes, knowing what instrument gets it and when to apply the effects is what's important.

Another thing, don't think that you're limited to reverb and delay alone....your EQ, Hi and Low pass filters can all be used to good effect.

SnakeCained · 30th December 2006, 04:09 PM

The Line 6 echo pro replaced all my tape based delay.

I quite like the logic tape delay.

Someone posted some Youtube links a while ago with some lee perry in the mix action.

You only need a big crap reverb, some delay which can feed itself and another quite obvious item (in abundance!)

Samc · 30th December 2006, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnakeCained

The Line 6 echo pro replaced all my tape based delay.

I quite like the logic tape delay.

Someone posted some Youtube links a while ago with some lee perry in the mix action.

You only need a big crap reverb, some delay which can feed itself and another quite obvious item (in abundance!)

I'm sure you really know what you're talking about.....

zarembo · 30th December 2006, 06:23 PM

each time I've seen the MP live he uses a different rig....sometimes just what's in the house...that one time he had an MXR rack with the 500 style or dbx 900 style modules.....but every single time he has one necessary piece of gear: a fifth of courvosier!

nice to know others here are under the spell of dub!

I LOVE the predelay on the snare for the Karmacoma dub--what is it...bumperball dub?

Flymax · 30th December 2006, 06:50 PM

you really have to live it...there is no shortcut..
you can listen to dr dick's dub shack on itunes radio to tune up...

cdog · 30th December 2006, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnakeCained

You only need a big crap reverb, some delay which can feed itself and another quite obvious item (in abundance!)

Personally I think its the latter which is of utmost importance.

James Guitar · 30th December 2006, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zarembo

but every single time he has one necessary piece of gear: a fifth of courvosier!

baa haha! at soundcheck on more than one occasion i saw him dump the fifth of vsop on the stage to show his displeasure to the promoter about the sound/accomodations/quality of liquor, etc.
yes, off topic i know. sorry, carry on.
-J

pan · 30th December 2006, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zarembo

each time .... one necessary piece of gear: a fifth of courvosier!

I saw him mix a few festivals - you need to get inspired somehow... LOL

_he toured with Lee Scratch_

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Guitar

baa haha! ...
yes, off topic i know. sorry, carry on.
-J

Quote:

nice to know others here are under the spell of dub!

niice - where's the other Dubslutz?
Let's make '07 the year of the return of the dub!

Quote:

I LOVE the predelay on the snare for the Karmacoma dub

+1

Ricey · 30th December 2006, 11:38 PM

return?

it went away? somebody forgot to tell me! actually the word dub does seem to be getting more play these days

zarembo · 31st December 2006, 01:40 AM

Now this is a topic I can get into.

MP's dub of Massive Attack heavily influenced my bass playing and production style in the 90's and beyond.

I was surprised to find much of what MP works on tends to be produced in a more traditional rhythm and stylee.

Am still always searching for the more electronic, crushing dubs and the delays that wanna rip off headz and stir the contents inside.

Universal Egg Label has many massive dubs
Planet Dog has a compilation from mid 90's that will melt your toes
Sounds from the Ground, Mannaseh, Salmonella Dub, Laswell, Adrian Sherwood and On-U-Sound...

Sometimes the more modern heavy stuff drifts into jungle/step stuff but I like the fatty plodders best.

Mad Professor's catalog is large and his palette indeed broad.

Does anybody have more MP dubs to recommend??

pan · 31st December 2006, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricey

it went away?

Just came back with new stash - dub has been around since I started out with electronic music and was always a big influence for me.

zarembo · 1st January 2007, 02:39 AM

looking at the credits for No Protection-Massive Attack Mad Professor dub mixes--

mix engineer Mark "Spike" Stent.

ah....

robd · 1st January 2007, 02:35 PM

I love dub. Maybe we should start a dub production techniques/gear thread over in the electronic forum. Actually, I'll go do that now, cause I have a couple of questions that people might be able to help with.

cortisol · 1st January 2007, 03:29 PM

It's fun to jam on a mixer using delays and EQ. You can use the approach of dub to enhanse the right tracks.

I think dub is all about the approach and not the roache!

Peace,
cortisol

Samc · 2nd January 2007, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cortisol

I think dub is all about the approach and not the roache

That is not a "Roach"......That is a "big head".

cortisol · 2nd January 2007, 06:05 AM

You've lost me there Samc???

Peace,
cortisol

Samc · 2nd January 2007, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cortisol

You've lost me there Samc???

Peace,
cortisol

You're just gonna have to figure this one out on your own.

cortisol · 2nd January 2007, 04:10 PM

Hey Samc have a listen to 'Hide behind my glasses' by Fishbone will ya!

trpper.

Peace,
cortisol

grahluk · 2nd January 2007, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdog

Personally I think its the latter which is of utmost importance.

IIRC King Tubby didn't smoke. I'm sure it adds to the enjoyment of the listening experience though.

firby · 2nd January 2007, 05:17 PM

Wow guys. Thanks for all the information.

I really did not expect this thread to gorw up the way it did. Any other great dubby stuff that I should pick up ? Recordings Records I mean ?

Ricey · 2nd January 2007, 06:13 PM

Glen Brown and King Tubby: Termination Dub

Professor is wicked, but i would check out Dennis Bovell if you're into the more hi-fi dub sounds. particularly LKJ in Dub

also Scientist along those lines...

Dub Specialist for minimalist stuff

Lee Perry for the groundbreaking stuff

Duke Reid for the classic approach

worm · 2nd January 2007, 06:54 PM

check http://www.brucewang.com/051301.jsp

for some really serious dub

just click save

Vari-Mu · 2nd January 2007, 09:51 PM

www.bloodandfire.co.uk has all you need for the old school 70s's JA vibe at very reasonable prices. Killer reissues beautifully remastered and packaged.

I particularily like the King Tubby/ Freedom Sounds record...." Roll the Stone, Tubby!!!".

Also nice is the Lee Perry boxset on Island "Arkology". If you can, get your hands on the first Mikey Dread album "Dread at the Controls"...it's modeled on his radio show which ruled the airwaves on the island in the second half of the 1970s.

Don't really like digi-dub too much myself.

Vari-Mu

**Jules** · 2nd January 2007, 10:02 PM

I engineered a fun remix session with UK dub maestro Dennis Bovell back in the 80's

What he did was set up a delay have a long patch cord for the input to it - then make little marks on the patch bay where key instruments were like the snare - guitars - vocals etc and then while the track was rolling and the mix down tape rolling - jam that patch cord into various holes to DUB it - then yank it out to stop the feed to the delay. He told me this was one of the the ways it was done back in Jamaica in 'the old days'.. Far more basic than twisting send knobs... Worked great too!

firby · 2nd January 2007, 10:45 PM

Thanks Jules that is a great tip.

Tonight I am going to set up a recording and chain two delays together and see what I can get.

I have found out that I can control the feedback freq by manipulating the eq on the return. I have an old Rane parametric that I want to put in the loop as well.

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30th December 2006, 07:16 AM	#1
firby Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 877	Dub: Massive Attack "No Protection" Mad Professor Hi. Love this one. Its all that Lee Perry Vibe but maybe a little more digital. So. Uh. How do I do it ? I have started and went this far. I have a delay Symetrix 606 on a stereo aux that returns to 23 + 24 of my 8 buss board. So I can flip open the aux sends on those channels to feedback through the unit. I have a reverb unit digtial TC Elec M300 on that returns on 21-22 of the board. I can do a little bit of dub delays and I can do the feedback thing by opening a aux on the return channels. What else is there to this production ? A biphase perhaps ? Where do I learn the dirt on this stuff ? I need to get what I need to get and get to learning what I need to learn to satisfy this bug. Please point me to the fountain of dub because I am hooked, at least for a while. TIA slutz.

30th December 2006, 03:57 PM	#6
Samc Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 336	This is one genre where the gear is really secondary. Yourknowledge of the music, and your own skills/artisry and inventiveness count a lot more. Good dub mixers don't generally need to use a lot of effects boxes, knowing what instrument gets it and when to apply the effects is what's important. Another thing, don't think that you're limited to reverb and delay alone....your EQ, Hi and Low pass filters can all be used to good effect. __________________ Sam Clayton

30th December 2006, 06:23 PM	#9
zarembo Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 633	each time I've seen the MP live he uses a different rig....sometimes just what's in the house...that one time he had an MXR rack with the 500 style or dbx 900 style modules.....but every single time he has one necessary piece of gear: a fifth of courvosier! nice to know others here are under the spell of dub! I LOVE the predelay on the snare for the Karmacoma dub--what is it...bumperball dub? __________________ hey tune into the doctor: http://lesterdiamondradio.com/ Last edited by zarembo; 30th December 2006 at 06:28 PM.. Reason: oh yeah

30th December 2006, 06:50 PM	#10
Flymax Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 794	you really have to live it...there is no shortcut.. you can listen to dr dick's dub shack on itunes radio to tune up... __________________ http://www.myspace.com/dreamlandrecording http://www.myspace.com/petecizrock

30th December 2006, 08:06 AM	#2
Vari-Mu Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 252	Check out Mad Professor's website ( Ariwa) ...there are pics of his various setups over the years. Dub is longer on imagination than equipment though.... Cheers Vari-Mu

30th December 2006, 12:10 PM	#3
robd Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 681	check out the dub scrolls http://www.interruptor.ch/dub.shtml

30th December 2006, 02:39 PM	#5
James Guitar Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 540	i did a two week tour with the mad professor and i don't recall anything extraordinary about his rig. i will look back at the photos and see if there was anything special i missed... -J

30th December 2006, 04:09 PM	#7
SnakeCained Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LONDON Posts: 642	The Line 6 echo pro replaced all my tape based delay. I quite like the logic tape delay. Someone posted some Youtube links a while ago with some lee perry in the mix action. You only need a big crap reverb, some delay which can feed itself and another quite obvious item (in abundance!)

30th December 2006, 11:38 PM	#14
Ricey Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: São Paulo/NYC Posts: 710	return? it went away? somebody forgot to tell me! actually the word dub does seem to be getting more play these days __________________ http://www.myspace.com/victorrice http://ultrabland.com/site/bios/index.php?id=4 YMMV - Your Money May Vanish

31st December 2006, 01:40 AM	#15
zarembo Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 633	Now this is a topic I can get into. MP's dub of Massive Attack heavily influenced my bass playing and production style in the 90's and beyond. I was surprised to find much of what MP works on tends to be produced in a more traditional rhythm and stylee. Am still always searching for the more electronic, crushing dubs and the delays that wanna rip off headz and stir the contents inside. Universal Egg Label has many massive dubs Planet Dog has a compilation from mid 90's that will melt your toes Sounds from the Ground, Mannaseh, Salmonella Dub, Laswell, Adrian Sherwood and On-U-Sound... Sometimes the more modern heavy stuff drifts into jungle/step stuff but I like the fatty plodders best. Mad Professor's catalog is large and his palette indeed broad. Does anybody have more MP dubs to recommend?? __________________ hey tune into the doctor: http://lesterdiamondradio.com/

1st January 2007, 02:39 AM	#17
zarembo Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 633	looking at the credits for No Protection-Massive Attack Mad Professor dub mixes-- mix engineer Mark "Spike" Stent. ah.... __________________ hey tune into the doctor: http://lesterdiamondradio.com/

1st January 2007, 02:35 PM	#18
robd Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 681	I love dub. Maybe we should start a dub production techniques/gear thread over in the electronic forum. Actually, I'll go do that now, cause I have a couple of questions that people might be able to help with.

1st January 2007, 03:29 PM	#19
cortisol Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 295	It's fun to jam on a mixer using delays and EQ. You can use the approach of dub to enhanse the right tracks. I think dub is all about the approach and not the roache! Peace, cortisol

2nd January 2007, 06:05 AM	#21
cortisol Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 295	You've lost me there Samc??? Peace, cortisol

2nd January 2007, 04:10 PM	#23
cortisol Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 295	Hey Samc have a listen to 'Hide behind my glasses' by Fishbone will ya! trpper. Peace, cortisol

2nd January 2007, 05:17 PM	#25
firby Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 877	Wow guys. Thanks for all the information. I really did not expect this thread to gorw up the way it did. Any other great dubby stuff that I should pick up ? Recordings Records I mean ?

2nd January 2007, 06:13 PM	#26
Ricey Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: São Paulo/NYC Posts: 710	Glen Brown and King Tubby: Termination Dub Professor is wicked, but i would check out Dennis Bovell if you're into the more hi-fi dub sounds. particularly LKJ in Dub also Scientist along those lines... Dub Specialist for minimalist stuff Lee Perry for the groundbreaking stuff Duke Reid for the classic approach __________________ http://www.myspace.com/victorrice http://ultrabland.com/site/bios/index.php?id=4 YMMV - Your Money May Vanish

2nd January 2007, 06:54 PM	#27
worm Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: london Posts: 137	check http://www.brucewang.com/051301.jsp for some really serious dub just click save

2nd January 2007, 09:51 PM	#28
Vari-Mu Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 252	www.bloodandfire.co.uk has all you need for the old school 70s's JA vibe at very reasonable prices. Killer reissues beautifully remastered and packaged. I particularily like the King Tubby/ Freedom Sounds record...." Roll the Stone, Tubby!!!". Also nice is the Lee Perry boxset on Island "Arkology". If you can, get your hands on the first Mikey Dread album "Dread at the Controls"...it's modeled on his radio show which ruled the airwaves on the island in the second half of the 1970s. Don't really like digi-dub too much myself. Vari-Mu

2nd January 2007, 10:02 PM	#29
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 11,813	I engineered a fun remix session with UK dub maestro Dennis Bovell back in the 80's What he did was set up a delay have a long patch cord for the input to it - then make little marks on the patch bay where key instruments were like the snare - guitars - vocals etc and then while the track was rolling and the mix down tape rolling - jam that patch cord into various holes to DUB it - then yank it out to stop the feed to the delay. He told me this was one of the the ways it was done back in Jamaica in 'the old days'.. Far more basic than twisting send knobs... Worked great too! __________________ Jules "...there are some amazing deals to be had in this right now. it brings battleship mixing closer to the jilted generation" - reptil

2nd January 2007, 10:45 PM	#30
firby Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 877	Thanks Jules that is a great tip. Tonight I am going to set up a recording and chain two delays together and see what I can get. I have found out that I can control the feedback freq by manipulating the eq on the return. I have an old Rane parametric that I want to put in the loop as well.