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For pure Princeton tone without the reverb, I just looked on ebay and saw several
1964 Princeton Amps The Non-Reverb models for around $800.00+/-

The vintage Reverb models seem to be going for $1500.00-$2100.00

Silver face most under $1000.00

If you really want the Princeton tone, this is where I would put my hard earned money.

At worst a tech check cleaning and caps might run you $200.00 or so.

Then you have a cherished gem that can retire in well earned grace in your studio.
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I've owned both Fender Princeton's (1965) and Princeton Reverbs (1966 and my current 1968). The Princeton sound is not the same as having a Princeton Reverb and turning the reverb down. It's more choked, less open and harder to kick over. I believe it can be modified to be more Princeton Reverb like, but the sound of the amps is not the same with one just not having reverb.
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Makes perfect sense, anything you add or take away from the circuit is going
to affect overall tone. Good point.


You also have to pay close attention to the chosen speaker, vintage low efficiency
or modern hi efficiency AlNiCo or ceramic can make a huge difference in the tone
and volume of the amp.
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The vintage Reverb models seem to be going for $1500.00-$2100.00
It's not about the money; old and new ones cost the same where I live. I just don't really trust 45 year old gear. I like new stuff. And yes, that goes for mics and compressors, too... Sick, I know. :-/

Btw, my next amp is certainly not going to *retire* here. It's going to slave night and day.
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It's not about the money; old and new ones costs the same where I live. I just don't really trust 45 year old gear. I like new stuff. And yes, that goes for mics and compressors, too... Sick, I know. :-/

Btw, my next amp is certainly not going to *retire* here. It's going to slave night and day.
I'm afraid you're mistaken, but you are helping to keep vintage prices lower than they'd otherwise be, so yeah! Go ahead! Buy new, man!
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I'm afraid you're mistaken, but you are helping to keep vintage prices lower than they'd otherwise be, so yeah! Go ahead! Buy new, man!
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And I'm not the only one... Here's a funny thread:

u47 or u87 which to choose?

Surprise: Most recommend the 87(ai). So do I. If I want a 47, I just throw a blanket over my 87ai.

And as I said earlier in this thread, a lot of people who have or know both prefer the new Princeton to the old.
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What I meant by a graceful retirement, was not being dragged around on the road, but retired to well cared for studio use.

Sounds like you have your heart set on a new amp, so I'll leave the decision up to you.
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And I'm not the only one... Here's a funny thread:

u47 or u87 which to choose?

Surprise: Most recommend the 87(ai). So do I. If I want a 47, I just throw a blanket over my 87ai.

And as I said earlier in this thread, a lot of people who have or know both prefer the new Princeton to the old.
Well, if you happen to come across an old SF here in the EU and you'd rather get a new one, please let me know.
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Well, if you happen to come across an old SF here in the EU and you'd rather get a new one, please let me know.
The easiest thing for you to do is to check the second hand pages -- auctions, newpapers, and such -- in your own country, and in other EU countries whose languages you know. Then you'll find one soon. But don't expect to find much from EU on eBay.
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Call the repair shops, they usually know somebody who might be able to
find a good one for you.
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Since you want a NEW amp and prefer something built in U.S.A

and you have your heart set on a Princeton Reverb circuit

and you need international power supply.


I strongly recommend that you check out these guys.

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Hand wired '64 Princeton Reverb 1X10 Combo $1199.00

Chassis

From their price list.

Blackface Models Completed Amplifer (see note1,2) Chassis Only (see note 3) MM Output Tx Option MM Power Tx Option (see note 4) Tilt-Back Legs Option Footswitch Option Weber Speaker Option Optional Speaker Model Standard Speaker Model
64 Blackface Deluxe Reverb (AB763) 1299.00 799.00 Std 69.00 39.00 39.00 50.00 12F150A C12N
64 Blackface Vibroverb (AB763) 1499.00 899.00 Std 69.00 49.00 39.00 50.00 15F150 C15N
64 Blackface Princeton Reverb (AA1164) 1199.00 749.00 Std 69.00 x 39.00 50.00 10F150T, 10A125 P10R, P10Q
x = not available, Std = Standard, MM = Mercury Magnetics
Note 1: Completed builds include: Chassis, Blackface Cabinet with aged Grille Cloth, Tubes, Accutronics Reverb Tank, Jensen Speakers
Note 2: Tubes are Electro Harmonix and/or JJ for preamp, EH 6V6's, Tung Sol 5881's on Vibrolux and Vibroverb
Note 3: "Chassis Only" price is for the bare chassis only. No tubes are included.
Note 4: Export 100V, 230V or 240V power transformer and power cord available for $79 additional.
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Thanks, FFTT.

What I don't understand is why such a company uploads tons of gigantic photos of their products, but not one single audio demo (which is all I care about)...
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I just received an e-mail from Chicken Pickin Amps.

They can do any of their circuits as a head version with switchable
4, 8, 16 Ohm output switch for studio use.

He's building the Black Face circuit, so it should sound like a Black Face
Princeton Reverb.

The coolest thing for you over there in EU is that he can build it with international
voltage selection.
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I just received an e-mail from Chicken Pickin Amps.

They can do any of their circuits as a head version with switchable
4, 8, 16 Ohm output switch for studio use.

He's building the Black Face circuit, so it should sound like a Black Face
Princeton Reverb.

The coolest thing for you over there in EU is that he can build it with international
voltage selection.
I think I'll contact the Chickens... Actually, international voltage selection is quite essential; I buy most of my gear in the UK, but they won't export certain Fender RI's to continental EU because of the power supply situation.

FFTT -- do you have any experiences with the Super Reverb RI? I just heard a really pretty demo, very clean and glassy, but I wonder if it's totally overkill for recording?
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Sorry, I have no experience with the Re-issue Super.

It would be way louder than the PRRI.

If you come across one, try out the Vibro-King

Great hand wired Fender amp but it's HEAVY and pretty loud.
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Thanks, FFTT.

What I don't understand is why such a company uploads tons of gigantic photos of their products, but not one single audio demo (which is all I care about)...
You find those audio demo's useful? I never do. There are so many variables like which mic did they use, which preamp, which compressor, which converters, whose playing it, what pick they are using, what string gauge they are using, etc.

Once in a while I see a video that demo's the product that might give a little clue.

For me context is everything too. That's just me tho.......
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You find those audio demo's useful? I never do. There are so many variables like which mic did they use, which preamp, which compressor, which converters, whose playing it, what pick they are using, what string gauge they are using, etc.
Sure, but they are a step up from hearsay.
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Buying blind is never easy, but sometimes you can look at what goes into an amp
and at least know the quality of what you are getting for your money.

Most of the reproductions are built by hand one at a time and each one is special.

You can custom voice these amps with tweaks and with a much broader choice
of speakers and tubes.

When you are spending HARD money, you want something built to last a few decades.

And with that expense, it's best to go for maximum versatility in a studio setting.

Be sure to ask Chicken Pickin if those face plates are provided with full Fender logos
as " reproductions" or if those shown on the site are just for display.
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Most of the reproductions are built by hand one at a time and each one is special.

You can custom voice these amps with tweaks and with a much broader choice
of speakers and tubes.
After looking around, I actually haven't been able to find one single RI demo with that original Princeton fullness.

So I have to admit that I'm getting interested in either a clone or -- an old original.

(And yes, I sent the Chickens a mail.)
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Slightly off-topic, but on the same page...

A few years ago when I bought up my 1966 Super Reverb (for much less than a RI costs, thank you), I went in to GC and tried (2) new '65 RI Super Reverb's. NO COMPARISON. It's all (well, mostly) about the speakers. New speakers just aren't the same.

If you ever have a chance, plug into an old Fender (especially a Super) that has JBL's. Now that's an experience.

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