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Handwound pickups

Anyone here have any exp. with real handwound pickups? If so...how wouldyou describe the difference in sound as compared to machine wound pickups?
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A pickup doesn't care how it's wound- if they're wound to the same specs it doesn't matter if it's wound be a machine or by hand. The main thing with a "hand wound" pickup is that it's scatter wound- the wire isn't wrapped as tightly or as evenly than it is with a machine. This of course changes the way the magnetic field works and changes the sound and response.

Vintage pickups were wound this way, and scatter wound coils is one reason why newer mass produced pickups don't sound like the old ones. It also makes it easier to have it wound to your specs, make a pickup with mismatched coils, and all the other benefits that come with dealing with a smaller company than say, Fender. But scatter wound is just one piece of the puzzle, and I don't see why a computer can't do that (at least to some extent). Seymour Duncan makes some pickups that sound as good (if not better) than some of these boutique folks, and I think he's mass producing them.


BTW, even "hand wound" pickups are done on a machine, pretty much the same machine as mass produced pickups.
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Anyone here have any exp. with real handwound pickups? If so...how wouldyou describe the difference in sound as compared to machine wound pickups?

My friend and master luthier Mike Mascagna decided to wind pickups for his own needs and they came out so good that I had him make me 4 sets and he has sold about 8 other sets to various friends and customers.

As explained, a good pickup maker winds the pickup with random scattering and controls the tension by hand to what he thinks will get the character he wants.


In this case, Mike wanted to make a over wound PAF humbucker .It is more harmonically rich than say a Duncan 59 and wider sounding. WCR also makes some very nice sounding pickups. Again, with WCR , you can expect a richer sounding pickup that has the treble you would expect from a PAF or Hot PAF but is less peaky, wider and richer sounding.
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I read in an interview once with timmy C where hw talked about he actually hand wound his pickups in his favorite bass. He said it took him several weeks. If someone actually wound them by hand I would take a really long time.
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I love my Fralins.

They're pricey. Dimarzio and the Fender Custom Shop make good singles and Duncan makes good humbuckers. Generally a bit cheaper. And it's diminished returns, but if you can afford it...I wouldn't go any other way. Call Lindy up--he'll wind'em any way you want.
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In this case, Mike wanted to make a over wound PAF humbucker .It is more harmonically rich than say a Duncan 59 and wider sounding. WCR also makes some very nice sounding pickups. Again, with WCR , you can expect a richer sounding pickup that has the treble you would expect from a PAF or Hot PAF but is less peaky, wider and richer sounding.

This is what I am after. I replaced the original bridge pickup in my les with a 498t for a little more bite but I am not completely satisfied with it. While it has more gain, it also sounds a little thin and has a bit of an "icepick" like quality. After makining numerous adjustments, I got rid of most of the icepick effect but it still sounds a little thin - one dimensional.

By contrast, the original neck pickup sound rich and lush so I am looking for something to balance against that with a little more drive.
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Then you probably want a Bareknuckle pick up... not cheap, but damn good...
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Handwound Pups

They all differ quite a bit, personally I ended up with Antiquities on my Strats and Lollars on my tele and les Pauls
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Fralin rewound the pickups in my '66 Mustang.. to roughly '57 strat specs. They're great sounding pickups. Are they a better sounding than the Rio Grandes in my strat? Not to my ear. Both are great - either will work. I have loved the sound of ever Rio Grande I've heard - would HIGHLY recommend them (Fralin, too - but they're a bit pricier and not as readily available).
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Damn. I finally did it (after over 2 years of suffering with the 498t). I wound up getting a custom built Zhangbucker handwound pickup.

I gave it a heavy workout last night for the first time. Sounds soooooooo much better than the 498t it's not even funny. Harmonically rich, smooth low end and a nice honest bite without even a hint of shrillness. Should have pulled the trigger sooner. Balances perfectly with the neck PU.

This guy makes a great product and was a pleasure to deal with.
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new to this winding thing but willing to try diffrent Ideas and materials

that said

basic pick up

imagine permanant magnetic with flux field setting nice and nothing disurbing it

then wrap a coil around this magnetic field thats doing nothing basicly same flux lines but with a copper coil wraped around it

now vibrate a object over the flux lines to create variance of flux
pushing pulsing flux into this coil creating current



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Ferromagnetic Material - A material that either is a source of magnetic flux or a conductor of magnetic flux. Any ferromagnetic material must have some component of iron, nickel, or cobalt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

Diamagnetism is the property of an object which causes it to create a magnetic field in opposition of an externally applied magnetic field, thus causing a repulsive effect. Specifically, an external magnetic field alters the orbital velocity of electrons around their nuclei, thus changing the magnetic dipole moment in the direction opposing the external field. Diamagnets are materials with a magnetic permeability less than μ0 (a relative permeability less than 1).
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so Ok you have this magnetic field that can be around coil
nothing stopping or forming this field of flux

along comes a coil with diamagnetic properties making sure that flux lines
stay with in this coil and the coper used is collecting optimal flux
this coil now uses less copper and a higher out put
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this is about as far as I got before I got a bad case of ass monkeys

cops took my car ( wear your seat belt in 25mph areas )
got kicked out of my home for walking my dog with out a leash and having a dog in a building with other dogs

very insane stuff yes I know

luckly there is a cure for having ass monkies
I am doing alot better
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Attachment 133628
paramagnetic is flavor even if it doesn't do any thing its still fun

silver epoxy ( dia ) and chicken wing sauce made the iron oxide (para)
the bobbins were also frozen to tighten the structure of the plastic bobbin
hopping to tighten up some of the resonating sound out of the plastic ?

freezing plastic is a lot like treating metals basic metallurgy, but so not
the cold basically folds crystalline structures only with plastic
the structure does not return to its original state
in metallurgy they heat iron and cram carbon into the structure
carbon is flat iron is round



I am guessing as most of the pickups I have made have never been heard

but kinda makes sense but not yet proven either way
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Pyrocarbon Material

Pyrolytic carbon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


this stuff is like a mirror to magnetic flux

imagine the flux you could gather if you could fold two "mirrors"

if you could only treat magnetic flux like a lumen


Ok now thats cool but kinda getting out of the guitar pick up realm
and in to tranformers and ways not to pay for electricity
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see the dust thats ground carbon

what I do is get that stuff on my fingers when I wind it puts a fine coat on the insulation
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Uhh, I have a set of Muy Grandes in my Grosh guitar, and they sound awesome. I also had a set of Fralins in an Anderson once, and they were fantastic as well. They're both great pickups. Also, somebody mentioned Lollar. If I had more electrics that needed pickups, I'd have a set of Lollars by now.
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