Locking Audio to Video with machine control

[gpcramseysoral]

I posted in another thread asking for some advice about using Mass cables to transfer audio. Jim and some others were kind enough to reply. This lead to another question about properly setting up in Video applications.

Here is a diagram of what I’m talking about. Jim should be chiming in shortly to pick it apart.

[gpcramseysoral]

Jim, Ya out there?

[Jim vanBergen]

OK, back from a recording. Let's see:

Don't look timecode from a Mackie to a Tascam. Manufacturer to manufacturer = disaster, and I always use an ADA (audio distribution amplifier) to make sure levels are good and everything is balanced. While it MIGHT work fine, back in the years when I used to loop sync and clock/black burst from one machine to another, I just DON'T EVER do it anymore...because I have had failures & drop-outs.

Since this is a pretty serious setup, I'm gona suggest you look into a code analyzer, like the Brainstorm SR15 destripalyzer or any tool that lets you look at the TC and confirm sample rate as well as checking for code errors. I use the Brainstorm when I have $$ and a Terrasonde Audio Toolbox when I don't have $$ but want the peace of mind.

Now, whats next: oh, you need a video DA for black burst/video black/word clock. Which one are you actually going to use, word clock converted from blackburst? With clock, it's also best to hit every device with a HOME RUN. Spend the couple hundred dollars (if that) and sleep better at night.

I'm not sure what the main goal is here, a multitrack recording AND a 2-mix, with HDR, tape based MDM and protools...can you explain a little bit?

Steve, feel free to chime in now buddy!

Jim van Bergen

[gpcramseysoral]

Originally Posted by Jim vanBergen

OK, back from a recording. Let's see:

Don't look time code from a Mackie to a Tascam. Manufacturer to manufacturer = disaster,

Ok

And I always use an ADA (audio distribution amplifier) to make sure levels are good and everything is balanced.

Is this not what the O2r is for? I didn't include audio cables in the drawling because I figured it would be more strait forward, my bad thou

While it MIGHT work fine, back in the years when I used to loop sync and clock/black burst from one machine to another, I just DON'T EVER do it anymore...because I have had failures & drop-outs.

Ok

Since this is a pretty serious setup, I'm gona suggest you look into a code analyzer, like the Brainstorm SR15 destripalyzer or any tool that lets you look at the TC and confirm sample rate as well as checking for code errors.

Will do, thanks

I use the Brainstorm when I have $$ and a Terrasonde Audio Toolbox when I don't have $$ but want the peace of mind.

Awsome I've already started looking at the Brainstorm but didn't know I need it.

Now, what's next: oh, you need a video DA for black burst/video black/word clock.
Which one are you actually going to use, word clock converted from black burst?

Work Clock from black burst

With clock, it's also best to hit every device with a HOME RUN. Spend the couple hundred dollars (if that) and sleep better at night.

Should I get 2 big Ben's chain them together using the black out to the black in of the second one

I'm not sure what the main goal is here, a multitrack recording AND a 2-mix, with HDR, tape based MDM and protools...can you explain a little bit?

Yeah I'm going to do a multi track and a 3-cam shoot. The acts are all B level nationals. But the audience is going to be VIP (season passes at 150-200 per show). I need to be able to take this stuff to post production and have it all time synced. We're going to be doing DVD's and have discussed some broadcast opportunities. I'd like to use the O2R for transport control of the DAW and MDM's. Then the video switcher to control the VTR's. Also I'm going to be doing the house mix and recording from FOH. I know this isn't the ideal setup but we're a startup company and I need to cut a few corners.

Steve, feel free to chime in now buddy!

Please do!


Jim van Bergen

Also sorry about the long time between posts. Actually you all will probably be happy to hear I've been busy with some great stuff. Actually were aren't a start up I've just taken on a partner. This is allowing me to do some next level stuff. It's such a blessing. I've been working in production live sound and A/V for the last 10 years. Finally I'm being to see some opportunity to make a living at it. This isn't a moment too soon. I just got married in the summer and had my first child in Sept. When I left Nashville I thought it was the end but it looks like it's just the beginning.

Thanks So Much

[Jim vanBergen]

The 02R's fine for ONE output. You still need distribbution amplifiers for SMPTE as well as burst/clock.

I would NOT buy a second Big Ben (they are great, but why buy four spare Pirrelli tires when you only need ONE? ) buy a video DA with six outputs and be done with it.

That's my opinion.... hope it helps!

Jim

[gpcramseysoral]

Originally Posted by Jim vanBergen

The 02R's fine for ONE output. You still need distribution amplifiers for SMPTE as well as burst/clock.

Ok I thought you ment I need a audio distro

I would NOT buy a second Big Ben (they are great, but why buy four spare Pirrelli tires when you only need ONE? ) buy a video DA with six outputs and be done with it.

The video DA is to distribute Black, No? I would need a wc d/a to interface with most of the gear. The big ben only has six W/C out's. I would need 8 to do a "home run" to every digital piece. I guess I don't understand how to incorporate a video d/a in this synerio. Perhaps I don't understand the fundamental difference between black and W/C.

That's my opinion.... hope it helps!


Yeah, Jim it does help. I really appreciate you taking the time to work with me on this.

Jim

Also Jim, who do you suggust for renting outboard gear and mic's?

[Jim vanBergen]

I rent from Jim Flynn in NYC, they ship everywhere and the gear is in PRIMO condition.

Also, Steve Remote/ASL Remote Recording has great stuff if it's available.

For any extra pieces, I get mics like Neumanns, DPAs, Focusrite BLUE or Aphex 1788 preamps, Summit, Manley etc, big consoles, splitters, etc from PRG Audio.

And there are independents, like me, who rent our personal kits to people we know.

Hope this helps!
Jim

[gpcramseysoral]

Originally Posted by Jim vanBergen

And there are independents, like me, who rent our personal kits to people we know.

Hope this helps!
Jim

Cool, well I guess since I fall some where between knowing you and not i'd have to bring you out to "Da Burgh".