Hints for mixing backing tracks for live performance

moi · 16th November 2006

I play guitar along with backing tracks (from a laptop) and recently I had several debut stage performances. I took backing tracks from my studio CD and found out they sounded not really good in the venues where played live. Any hints how to achieve better sound of backing tracks. I understand ideally it should be mixed for each certain venue but it’s just impossible… I wonder how DJs work live in a different clubs (with different PA and venue acoustic).

LK7 · 16th November 2006

what genre of music?

moi · 16th November 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by LK7

what genre of music?

Blues-rock, old-school stuff

**Remoteness** · 19th November 2006

Did you just take the backing tracks dry straight from the masters? If you did IMO, it's not the way to do it...

You must produce a new mix of those backing tracks. You got to over produce them or spend the time at each and every venue adding the proper effects and such.

If you did remix those backing tracks and added everything you had to make them sound good in your studio, now's a good time to reconsider your monitoring situation or those vocals in general.

The right mic for the right vocal is always key. Standing in the right position at the perfect distance from the mic is also very important. As obvious as it may sound, a good sounding room never hurts.

It really doesn't need to be mixed for each and every venue, it just has to be mixed right just like a mix for CD/DVD/radio/Internet. You're not mixing for everyone's different laptop, player or receiver.

A good mix will sound great (well sort of) on any system!

foldback · 19th November 2006

I played with backing tracks for several years (and made a lot more money than I do with my band :-)

My PA kept growing and growing. I used eight Bose 802 speakers and a Crown CE-4000, not a lot of bands around here could get louder or sound as good.

I wanted to achieve a real band sound with backing tracks (and did). I found that I needed to mix my backing tracks on my PA to get the best and most authentic live sound.

A year ago I threw in the towel and formed a 3-piece blues band, best thing I've done in a long time.

**Remoteness** · 19th November 2006

What a cool concept -- Mixing on the PA you're gonna use...

Why didn't I think of that?

foldback · 19th November 2006

I should have mentioned, I recorded all my backing tracks using a real LA drummer. I tracked real bass guitar too.

I always got a good crowd reaction, they appreciated how much I put into the backing tracks and nobody ever put me down for being a blues Karoke guitar boy singer. I just got bored and lonely doing it.

I have another friend who does a solo act with backing tracks. He works 16 nights a month. He grabs general midi files off the internet, doctors them up a bit and plays them from an ipod. It does not sound the same as my rig did but he plays all the time and people like his watered down sound.

Two different approaches, both worked.

Personally I could not face an audience with a watered down sound. It has taken a year for my new band to find a home and some success but it's slowly building and I'm having a lot more fun. sorry to go off toic.

foldback · 19th November 2006

OK a shameless pitch for my drummer bro in LA. His name is Jim McCarty. He sells backing tracks with drums and bass. They are licensed and legal to use. He and his bass player get a good feel and sound. You can buy the files as MP3.

His addresss is: www.drum-tracks.com

You won't find a nicer harder working drummer anywhere (unless you are one).

If you contact him, tell him Mark from St. Louis sent you.

sonicdefault · 19th November 2006

This may seem obvious... but, I've found that recording my tracks without much compression made the biggest impact on how live they sound. The drums and bass, of course may need some, but I've found that using compression sparingly made a huge difference. I record the tracks at lower levels than normal, leaving the dynamics virtually untouched, and just crank the PA.

foldback, I think your idea of mixing on your PA is Brilliant with a capital "B".

16th November 2006	#1
moi Gear nut Joined: Aug 2004 Location: Nizhny Novgorod, Russia Posts: 78 Thread Starter	Hints for mixing backing tracks for live performance I play guitar along with backing tracks (from a laptop) and recently I had several debut stage performances. I took backing tracks from my studio CD and found out they sounded not really good in the venues where played live. Any hints how to achieve better sound of backing tracks. I understand ideally it should be mixed for each certain venue but it’s just impossible… I wonder how DJs work live in a different clubs (with different PA and venue acoustic).

19th November 2006	#4
Remoteness Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 7,405	Did you just take the backing tracks dry straight from the masters? If you did IMO, it's not the way to do it... You must produce a new mix of those backing tracks. You got to over produce them or spend the time at each and every venue adding the proper effects and such. If you did remix those backing tracks and added everything you had to make them sound good in your studio, now's a good time to reconsider your monitoring situation or those vocals in general. The right mic for the right vocal is always key. Standing in the right position at the perfect distance from the mic is also very important. As obvious as it may sound, a good sounding room never hurts. It really doesn't need to be mixed for each and every venue, it just has to be mixed right just like a mix for CD/DVD/radio/Internet. You're not mixing for everyone's different laptop, player or receiver. A good mix will sound great (well sort of) on any system! __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network What about my Facebook Profile? Remoteness on Myspace

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LK7 Gear maniac Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Woodstock, GA Posts: 164	what genre of music?

19th November 2006	#5
foldback Rocket Scientist Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,221 1 Review written	I played with backing tracks for several years (and made a lot more money than I do with my band :-) My PA kept growing and growing. I used eight Bose 802 speakers and a Crown CE-4000, not a lot of bands around here could get louder or sound as good. I wanted to achieve a real band sound with backing tracks (and did). I found that I needed to mix my backing tracks on my PA to get the best and most authentic live sound. A year ago I threw in the towel and formed a 3-piece blues band, best thing I've done in a long time.

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sonicdefault Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,535 2 Reviews written	This may seem obvious... but, I've found that recording my tracks without much compression made the biggest impact on how live they sound. The drums and bass, of course may need some, but I've found that using compression sparingly made a huge difference. I record the tracks at lower levels than normal, leaving the dynamics virtually untouched, and just crank the PA. foldback, I think your idea of mixing on your PA is Brilliant with a capital "B".