Korg MR-1000 / 1bit-5.8MHz DSD portable recorder

[PMoshay]

Originally Posted by raal

thanks PMoshay.

so you can just send the ME a file (without the unit itself) and he can master it on Sonoma, Pyramix or whatever? sorry to keep bugging about this but if the answer is yes, where do i sign up? at the price of the unit who's not going to try it out?

Yes you can, that is the whole idea behind it.......standardized file types......... an affordible way for everyone to record DSD.

[Ribbonmicguy]

Peter,

Sorry if this has been answered,

Does the audiogate software allow conversion from DSD to PCM?

Have you done comparison on tracks recorded with PCM and DSD converted to PCM? Does it still maintain the positive characteristic recorded with DSD?

I"m thinking that this might be a good masterlink replacer, but wondering on the DSD to PCM conversion.

Cheers,

[PMoshay]

Originally Posted by Ribbonmicguy

Peter,

Sorry if this has been answered,

Does the audiogate software allow conversion from DSD to PCM?

Have you done comparison on tracks recorded with PCM and DSD converted to PCM? Does it still maintain the positive characteristic recorded with DSD?

I"m thinking that this might be a good masterlink replacer, but wondering on the DSD to PCM conversion.

Cheers,

Yes it does, you can read about it in this forum thread, it has been discussed and i just posted pictures of the software in action.

[raal]

Originally Posted by PMoshay

Yes you can, that is the whole idea behind it.......standardized file types......... an affordible way for everyone to record DSD.

well i'm sold.

any way to know when and where they'll be available in Mexico (or US for that matter)?

[PMoshay]

I just did some more studio mixing to the MR1000 tonight, i have to say, as we listened back to the mixes everyone commented on the space and depth that they were hearing back...... it really captures everything perfectly....... its like the ultimate analog tape machine, without the added compression or hiss (not that i don't like the extra compression...... or a little hiss for that matter). I'm very excited about this piece, its about time every studio can have a high end master recorder that uses a standardized format.

I'm hoping the MR-1 iDSD Pod will sound just as good.

[raal]

^ cool!

when i asked about HF noise after mastering a DSD recording and then going back to DSD, Gus Skinas said:

It can be a problem if the original recordings are recorded at to low a level and have to be amplified... then some filtering may be in order, but generally it is not necessary. Of course filtering is always an option, but we seldom use it.

so does this mean when you record to DSD it's better to record hot as opposed to leaving some headroom for the ME as in PCM?

sorry for the newb questions.

[Sinewave]

so does this mean when you record to DSD it's better to record hot as opposed to leaving some headroom for the ME as in PCM?

I think he means to get the levels beyond any noise, but like 24 bit PCM thier is no need to push it to OL to get good levels. 0 dbsacd is the equivalent of - 6dbfs in the PCM world (where most in PCM try to get thier levels to peak anyway ), above 0dbsacd it goes up to +6dbsacd, so if you go over 0 you're covered although it is recommended that to don't cross 0 dbsacd when tracking and when you are creating your master you can master it as high as + 3 dbsacd not +6 or it will be rejected by the replication plant.

[raal]

thank you sinewave.

[charlienyc]

hi Peter, thanks for keeping us informed on this!

can you answer an AudioGate q for us? why are the 1bit, 2.8 & 5.6MHz options grayed out on your screen shot? is it simply because you have 16bit selected? really i want to know if you can do anything with the DSD 1bit 2.8MHz file (with a compatible workstation) or if you're limited to using PCM after recording. it hasn't been clear to me at this point.

cheers!

[PMoshay]

Originally Posted by charlienyc

hi Peter, thanks for keeping us informed on this!

can you answer an AudioGate q for us? why are the 1bit, 2.8 & 5.6MHz options grayed out on your screen shot? is it simply because you have 16bit selected? really i want to know if you can do anything with the DSD 1bit 2.8MHz file (with a compatible workstation) or if you're limited to using PCM after recording. it hasn't been clear to me at this point.

cheers!

it's because i had chosen to convert to a Wave file, for instance, you can take a 5.6MHz and go to 2.8MHz, you just have to choose a compatable file type- i.e. DFF, then you have those options .
Wave files don't go to that resolution

[PMoshay]

Originally Posted by charlienyc

hi Peter, thanks for keeping us informed on this!

can you answer an AudioGate q for us? why are the 1bit, 2.8 & 5.6MHz options grayed out on your screen shot? is it simply because you have 16bit selected? really i want to know if you can do anything with the DSD 1bit 2.8MHz file (with a compatible workstation) or if you're limited to using PCM after recording. it hasn't been clear to me at this point.

cheers!

if you so desire, you can even take a 16bit/44.1k Wave and go up to 5.6MHz DFF.

[M.Hansen]

Interesting stuff!
total newbie question here...

So, with my minimalistic gear (compared to yours...) iMac 24", Focusire Saffire and Logic Pro 7.2 : How should I route/set up this MR1000 ?

Freeze tracks and playback from Logic to the Focusrite saffire
audio-interface, then into the MR1000 using TRS jacks ?

Or something I have misunderstood ?

Any other or more efficient ways of using this cool new gadget from Korg ?

[PMoshay]

Originally Posted by M.Hansen

Interesting stuff!
total newbie question here...

So, with my minimalistic gear (compared to yours...) iMac 24", Focusire Saffire and Logic Pro 7.2 : How should I route/set up this MR1000 ?

Freeze tracks and playback from Logic to the Focusrite saffire
audio-interface, then into the MR1000 using TRS jacks ?

Or something I have misunderstood ?

Any other or more efficient ways of using this cool new gadget from Korg ?

I would come out of your 2 mix, playback in real time and straight into the MR1000. Then you will capture exactly what you hear when you are mixing, then when you playback your mix later, you bypass having to go thru another PCM decode conversion.

[Ribbonmicguy]

Pmoshay,

Thanks for the recommendation man.

I listened to the unit at NAMM and was totally impressed.

Heard the shipping date is in April!

I will definitely be getting one to replace my crappy masterlink!

Cheers,
Moko

[Sinewave]

Heard the shipping date is in April!

Sighhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! April now.

[RoundBadge]

Maybe this has already asked..
how do you bypass the mic pre's for direct line in's on the inputs?
Is it via the hi/lo gain switch on the back?

[DSD_GUS]

Originally Posted by Sinewave

I think he means to get the levels beyond any noise, but like 24 bit PCM thier is no need to push it to OL to get good levels. 0 dbsacd is the equivalent of - 6dbfs in the PCM world (where most in PCM try to get thier levels to peak anyway ), above 0dbsacd it goes up to +6dbsacd, so if you go over 0 you're covered although it is recommended that to don't cross 0 dbsacd when tracking and when you are creating your master you can master it as high as + 3 dbsacd not +6 or it will be rejected by the replication plant.

The times when I found it necessary to filter was when we received DSD program that had been recorded with peaks below -12dB SACD. In this case, when the program was raised to a reasonable level, there was to much HF noise and it had to be filtered. But we have done A LOT of DSD recording, both multitrack and mix, and have not needed to filter.

So if you are recording in a normal fashion, as you would with PCM or analog tape, there should be no need.

gus...

[PMoshay]

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Maybe this has already asked..
how do you bypass the mic pre's for direct line in's on the inputs?
Is it via the hi/lo gain switch on the back?

Yes, the Hi/Lo gain will let you do line level thru mic level.

[Sinewave]

Originally Posted by DSD_GUS

The times when I found it necessary to filter was when we received DSD program that had been recorded with peaks below -12dB SACD. In this case, when the program was raised to a reasonable level, there was to much HF noise and it had to be filtered. But we have done A LOT of DSD recording, both multitrack and mix, and have not needed to filter.

So if you are recording in a normal fashion, as you would with PCM or analog tape, there should be no need.

gus...

Mr Gus skinas i presume

[DSD_GUS]

Originally Posted by PMoshay

You can play the files on other compatible units that handle DSD of course.
The units will ship with lots of recordings we did using the MR1000, take a listen to a unit and the various types of recordings, classical, folk, acoustic, field, pop, etc. I have not listened or tried the Tascam unit, so i have not opinion on it.
At this point, i think you all should be able to get to audition one soon as i know they are on their way (they may already be here). You'll be able to hear with your own ears if this is for you......

We are exchanging files back and fourth between our MR-1 and our Sonoma DSD Multitrack editor without any problems. The MR-1 sounds very good.

gus...

[DSD_GUS]

Originally Posted by Sinewave

Mr Gus skinas i presume

This would be me.

[jzahr]

Hi all,
In order to play back 1-bit DSD files stored on a pc's hdd using real DSD DACs, is it possible to stream that content to the MR-1 or MR-1000 ? I mean, without actually copy or move the files.

In other words, is it possible to use MR-1 as an external usb sound card to take advantage of its real dsd DAC's?

I think that, by means of using audiogate to convert DSD files to PCM, results in loosing at least part of the advantages of 1-bit recording technique.

Finally, is there an affordable way to burn SACD's from the files created by the MR-1 using a regular pc?

Thanks
(and sorry if this has been already asked)

[DSD_GUS]

Originally Posted by jzahr

Hi all,


Finally, is there an affordable way to burn SACD's from the files created by the MR-1 using a regular pc?

Thanks
(and sorry if this has been already asked)

There is no way to burn SA-CD's at all. An SA-CD must be pressed in an authorized plant. You can, however, bring the MR-1 files into the Sonoma and generate an SA-CD Edit Master that can be sent to the plant for replication.

I really like your idea about the MR-1 or MR-1000 being used as a DSD sound card. That would be hot! I wonder...

gus

www.superaudiocenter.com

[jzahr]

Thanks for the info Gus

Originally Posted by DSD_GUS

I really like your idea about the MR-1 or MR-1000 being used as a DSD sound card. That would be hot! I wonder...

I hope that, if this file format gets more popular, sound card makers will include chips with DSD capabilities on its products (like Sony's Sound Reality chip on vaio pc's, but on pro level)

jzahr

[crna59]

Originally Posted by jzahr

I hope that, if this file format gets more popular, sound card makers will include chips with DSD capabilities on its products (like Sony's Sound Reality chip on vaio pc's, but on pro level)

jzahr

Or just get many of the capable DSD converters and connect them to your computer via MADI/FW/AES or whatever.
Pyramix makes a soundcard that will accept DSD. I use my Tascam via SPDIF3 for 2 channel archive.

Regards,
Bruce

[DSD_GUS]

Originally Posted by jzahr

Thanks for the info Gus




I hope that, if this file format gets more popular, sound card makers will include chips with DSD capabilities on its products (like Sony's Sound Reality chip on vaio pc's, but on pro level)

jzahr

I could see a "Sound Card" version of the MR-1000 being very useful. I don't have one of the Sound Reality equipped computers, but even in the store with all the background noise, the analog I/O sounded noisy when i was checking it out. But it was a nice idea...