cello concert

arpodthegreat · 15th October 2006

for my dad's birthday, a very good cellist is performing for a small group of close friends. it will be mainly solo cello with a few pieces including piano as well. i want to do a recording using 2 mics only and on one stand (stereo bar). i don't know the room really but i know it's in someones house so not to big. i have stereo pairs of a AKG 460s 451s and Avensons (omni, like earthworks). what set up would you recomend. i kind of want to try and M/S using an AKG with a U87 that i can use. since there is really only one instrument stereo width is not a big deal, just want a good sense of space. i was also thinking of using the Avensons and having them in an ORTF kind of placement to get good sense of space and minimal off axis distortion. what do you guys think?

T.RayBullard · 15th October 2006

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Originally Posted by arpodthegreat

for my dad's birthday, a very good cellist is performing for a small group of close friends. it will be mainly solo cello with a few pieces including piano as well. i want to do a recording using 2 mics only and on one stand (stereo bar). i don't know the room really but i know it's in someones house so not to big. i have stereo pairs of a AKG 460s 451s and Avensons (omni, like earthworks). what set up would you recomend. i kind of want to try and M/S using an AKG with a U87 that i can use. since there is really only one instrument stereo width is not a big deal, just want a good sense of space. i was also thinking of using the Avensons and having them in an ORTF kind of placement to get good sense of space and minimal off axis distortion. what do you guys think?

remote section..that is the place for this..

joelpatterson · 16th October 2006

Well but until that day comes....

I'd just set up the Avenson's in an ORTF way about 3 or 4 feet away, right infront of the player, like real inconspicuous there on the floor. Most fool-proof approach?

**Remoteness** · 15th October 2007

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Originally Posted by T.RayBullard

remote section..that is the place for this..

Ah yes, one year later and it finally made it to the right forum.

boojum · 15th October 2007

Well, some threads are slower than others. Caller number three seems to have it, to my naive grasp of things.

d_fu · 15th October 2007

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Originally Posted by boojum

Well, some threads are slower than others. Caller number three seems to have it, to my naive grasp of things.

Sort of... But you can't really do ORTF with Omnis...

mrsteaks · 15th October 2007

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Originally Posted by d_fu

Sort of... But you can't really do ORTF with Omnis...

......I was gonna suggest that, but after a year he's probably figured that out.....

**Remoteness** · 15th October 2007

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Originally Posted by mrsteaks

......I was gonna suggest that, but after a year he's probably figured that out.....

You never know.

Hey, at least the archive will have a few answers for others in a similar situation.

boojum · 15th October 2007

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Originally Posted by d_fu

Sort of... But you can't really do ORTF with Omnis...

You are right; I missed that they were omni's.

taturana · 15th October 2007

just the day before yesterday, i did a remote recording of a five-piece string ensemble and a soprano singer, on a very old, high ceiling house with wooden floors ... using an ORTF setup using two oktava mkl-2500 (tube LDC wide cardioid) on a stereo bar about 8ft high pointing slightly downwards ..

the strings was sitting in a half moon shape, bass on left
the singer was in the middle of the semi circle in front (she had a lot of volume and was easily heard)

the mic were placed about 9ft from the ensemble.

... this was done for a movie... and we had a very short (45 mins) recording session with the ensemble between movie takes... actually the cello player was dressed as a bird during the takes...

we recorded it directly to an edirol r4 and at the same time to a notebook using reaper 2.0 (both using 24/96 wav)... using a small soundcraft mixer with decent class A preamps... and it sounded very very nice... no eq at all, just mic placement... the stereo image was really good and balanced also ..

at first i was worried because the room was very reverberant... but in the recording it sounded like the best possible reverb.. and we did lose a few takes because of external noise... but it was very nice after all...

i now transferred the takes from the notebook to my desktop (using sonar 6.2) and am mastering the files to make em a bit better.

15th October 2006	#1
arpodthegreat Gear maniac Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 222 Thread Starter	cello concert for my dad's birthday, a very good cellist is performing for a small group of close friends. it will be mainly solo cello with a few pieces including piano as well. i want to do a recording using 2 mics only and on one stand (stereo bar). i don't know the room really but i know it's in someones house so not to big. i have stereo pairs of a AKG 460s 451s and Avensons (omni, like earthworks). what set up would you recomend. i kind of want to try and M/S using an AKG with a U87 that i can use. since there is really only one instrument stereo width is not a big deal, just want a good sense of space. i was also thinking of using the Avensons and having them in an ORTF kind of placement to get good sense of space and minimal off axis distortion. what do you guys think?

16th October 2006	#3
joelpatterson Lives for gear Joined: May 2005 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 9,509	Well but until that day comes.... I'd just set up the Avenson's in an ORTF way about 3 or 4 feet away, right infront of the player, like real inconspicuous there on the floor. Most fool-proof approach? __________________ Mountaintop Studios ~the peak of perfection~ Petersburgh NY 12138 mountaintop@taconic.net www.joelpatterson.us

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boojum Lives for gear Joined: May 2007 Location: Astoria, OR, US&A Posts: 2,308 1 Review written	Well, some threads are slower than others. Caller number three seems to have it, to my naive grasp of things. __________________ Nov schmoz ka pop.

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taturana Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Posts: 4,059 13 Reviews written	just the day before yesterday, i did a remote recording of a five-piece string ensemble and a soprano singer, on a very old, high ceiling house with wooden floors ... using an ORTF setup using two oktava mkl-2500 (tube LDC wide cardioid) on a stereo bar about 8ft high pointing slightly downwards .. the strings was sitting in a half moon shape, bass on left the singer was in the middle of the semi circle in front (she had a lot of volume and was easily heard) the mic were placed about 9ft from the ensemble. ... this was done for a movie... and we had a very short (45 mins) recording session with the ensemble between movie takes... actually the cello player was dressed as a bird during the takes... we recorded it directly to an edirol r4 and at the same time to a notebook using reaper 2.0 (both using 24/96 wav)... using a small soundcraft mixer with decent class A preamps... and it sounded very very nice... no eq at all, just mic placement... the stereo image was really good and balanced also .. at first i was worried because the room was very reverberant... but in the recording it sounded like the best possible reverb.. and we did lose a few takes because of external noise... but it was very nice after all... i now transferred the takes from the notebook to my desktop (using sonar 6.2) and am mastering the files to make em a bit better.