Recording drums in a small room
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25th August 2013
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Recording drums in a small room

I have a very nice home studio in my loft space.
Great gear, great pre-amps. (Neumam U87Ai, KM184, KSM32 - Universal Audio 8860, Avalon, Focusrite)

For vocals, Acc. Guitar, percussion and pre and post production etc... The room is great.
I would like to be able to record a kit in my small room.
Is it pure utopia or is there hope?
As a drummer myself I have done loads of sessions in big rooms and I do understand that big rooms are great for recording drums.
Just wondering if a small loft space is a 'no go' for recording a kit

Thanks for your contributions
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As a guy who's recorded in small rooms a lot.

I would dampen the room quite a bit with moving blankets. As far as direct sounds you should be fine if you dampened the room. I wouldn't try too hard for a room sound, it will be kind of futile, and overhead mics (high up ones) will not sound very amazing.

Close mic the cymbals, I use AKG 414's over each crash (1 foot - 1.5 feet away aimed at bell), AKG 451B on hihat and ride.

If there is a bathroom near by... that can be a fun alternate room sound to capture.

And by the way, I've never had any issues with PHASE close micing my cymbals.
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Originally Posted by mynaemisjonas View Post
As a guy who's recorded in small rooms a lot.

I would dampen the room quite a bit with moving blankets. As far as direct sounds you should be fine if you dampened the room. I wouldn't try too hard for a room sound, it will be kind of futile, and overhead mics (high up ones) will not sound very amazing.

Close mic the cymbals, I use AKG 414's over each crash (1 foot - 1.5 feet away aimed at bell), AKG 451B on hihat and ride.

If there is a bathroom near by... that can be a fun alternate room sound to capture.

And by the way, I've never had any issues with PHASE close micing my cymbals.
Thanks mynaemisjonas,
Very usefull!
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7th September 2013
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Has anyone recorded in a soundpoof booth like Studiobricks or else?
Is the lack of air around the kit a big issue?
Suppose you can compensate with reverb in mix or even putting a pair of room mics in a bigger room, speakers and re-record the recorded kit coming out of the speakers.

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yeah,If there is a bathroom near by... that can be a fun alternate room sound to capture.
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You need to kill as much reflection as possible, because the reflections are too close to the kit and cause phase issues instead of making the drums sound bigger. Get some Owens Corning rigid fiberglass or really thick blankets and deaden it up good. Add some larger studio room convolution on later to add helpful reflections.
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You need to kill as much reflection as possible, because the reflections are too close to the kit and cause phase issues instead of making the drums sound bigger. Get some Owens Corning rigid fiberglass or really thick blankets and deaden it up good. Add some larger studio room convolution on later to add helpful reflections.
Is the Owens Corning rigid fiberglass enough to deaden the sound?
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Is the Owens Corning rigid fiberglass enough to deaden the sound?
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I used to have a small room at my old house a few years ago. We killed reflection with carpet, OC703 (fiberglass) bass traps on the walls around the kit, and we filled the drop ceiling with mineral wool (cheaper, less rigid, but as absorbent as the OC703 panels). Got some very dry but good recordings out of there. No wanky reflections or out-of-control room nodes to kill the good sounds coming from the kit.
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moving blankets double layered (or more) work really great too.
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what qualifies as a small room?

is 24(feet)x14x8(height) a small room (for drums)?
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That low ceiling sucks and i would definitely make sure to deaden the ceiling.
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Would anyone post a example of a kit recorded in a small room, dry and then with EQ, Comp and FX.
Please list plugs to process signal path and achieve the result.
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