Login / Register
 
Faure Requiem on 3 mikes..
New Reply
Subscribe
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#1
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #1
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
Faure Requiem on 3 mikes..

2 x MKH 30 on a tall C stand behind conductor
1 x MKH 40 next to conductor for soloists
On a hot July evening with thunder in the air.
Attached Files
File Type: mp3 Nagra VI033.Faure Requiem.mp3 (6.30 MB, 298 views)
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#2
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #2
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
Here is a pic of the run through.
Roger
Attached Thumbnails
Faure Requiem on 3 mikes..-dsc_0072.jpg  
#3
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #3
Lives for gear
 
boojum's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2007
Location: Astoria, OR, US&A
Posts: 3,439

boojum is offline
Rolo, you dog, that is brilliant! The performance is great, the venue is a dream and you captured it all and its feeling so well. And once again you prove Occam right, the simple way is the best. My hat is off to you.

Cheers
__________________
Nov schmoz ka pop.
#4
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #4
Gear interested
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 22

TorbenH is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolo 46 View Post
2 x MKH 30 on a tall C stand behind conductor
1 x MKH 40 next to conductor for soloists
On a hot July evening with thunder in the air.
Very nice sound, Roger.
The total balance is impressive considering only two (plus one) mics in that large church
Are the main microphones about 18' up?
Torben
#5
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #5
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 735

polytope is offline
Superb!
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#6
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #6
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by TorbenH View Post
Very nice sound, Roger.
The total balance is impressive considering only two (plus one) mics in that large church
Are the main microphones about 18' up?
Torben
Yes Torben
If I could have got a further 6' back behind the conductor then I might have done it on the main array alone....
Roger
#7
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #7
Lives for gear
 
tourtelot's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 708

tourtelot is online now
Hey Roger. Why is it that so many folks disparage the single main pair for classical recordings. Apparently, it works just fine.

D.
__________________
Douglas Tourtelot, CAS
Seattle, WA

"Recording sound is merely problem solving. Solve one problem and move on to the next"
#8
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #8
Lives for gear
 
boojum's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2007
Location: Astoria, OR, US&A
Posts: 3,439

boojum is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by tourtelot View Post
Hey Roger. Why is it that so many folks disparage the single main pair for classical recordings. Apparently, it works just fine.

D.

Doug, it all depends in whose hands those two mics are. The minimal approach is wonderful, to my ears, but it cannot fix a problem the way a multitude of mics can. It does sound more natural, to me. And as I cannot field a multitude I must sharpen my skills. Rolo keeps raising the bar.
#9
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #9
Gear addict
 
Larry Elliott's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Location: Auckland , New Zealand
Posts: 476

Send a message via AIM to Larry Elliott Send a message via Skype™ to Larry Elliott
Larry Elliott is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by boojum View Post
Doug, it all depends in whose hands those two mics are. The minimal approach is wonderful, to my ears, but it cannot fix a problem the way a multitude of mics can. It does sound more natural, to me. And as I cannot field a multitude I must sharpen my skills. Rolo keeps raising the bar.
Agreed, but it also is very dependant on the performers being well rehearsed. Another thing is that the performers don't want tweaks to the balance in post to correct what they did in the performance.
__________________
www.vivante.net.nz
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#10
17th August 2013
Old 17th August 2013
  #10
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
Strange thing was the performers only came together for this one event
The one rehearsal was top and tail at most
The band ,3 choirs, organist and soloists
It wasn't a recording it was a performance,something many forget now.
#11
18th August 2013
Old 18th August 2013
  #11
Lives for gear
 
boojum's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2007
Location: Astoria, OR, US&A
Posts: 3,439

boojum is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Elliott View Post
Agreed, but it also is very dependant on the performers being well rehearsed. Another thing is that the performers don't want tweaks to the balance in post to correct what they did in the performance.
Larry, what you say is true. I had the naive assumption that for the sake of argument that the performers would be on their marks and the hall would be good. It is pretty hard to make a good recording otherwise, but we have all tried.
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#12
18th August 2013
Old 18th August 2013
  #12
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
There is no point in recording under prepared musicians,that is my main priority
Luckily recording Festivals and small scale Opera means the musos are really up to speed
They are not thinking of the recording and give it scant attention, this aids their performance and my recording
Recently, composers are asking for their premieres to be recorded and suggest including rehearsal time recording for more choice, this never ever works, rehearsal is never performance level or continuity.
As for poor halls, I have a number on my location sites, then the answer is to get closer in, and record just the music, and sort it out in post,not as much fun as a proper hall acoustic, of which I have 3 or 4, but quite manageable.
All on a laptop and a pair of open back cans,quite amazing what can be done now.
Roger
#13
18th August 2013
Old 18th August 2013
  #13
Gear Head
 
benyah's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Location: Toronto/Berlin
Posts: 38

benyah is offline
Very nice!
#14
18th August 2013
Old 18th August 2013
  #14
Gear maniac
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Location: Taipei
Posts: 200

9sbean is offline
Bravo!
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#15
18th August 2013
Old 18th August 2013
  #15
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by tourtelot View Post
Hey Roger. Why is it that so many folks disparage the single main pair for classical recordings. Apparently, it works just fine.

D.
Yes Doug it does....
When I was a young boom op I worked on many big films at Ealing Studios,home of BBC Television Film.
The DPs I worked with had a variety of styles and I had to know their lighting technique to survive.
When I was made a Film Sound Recordist at 27 I moved down to Bristol,home of the Natural History Unit,lighting down there was much simpler,mainly for docos.
We started doing Drama film and I worked with two outstanding DPs,quite different in technique,one old school,all tungestone,inky dinks,20 or 30 per set,very moody ,impressionistic almost 30s/40s style.
The other, a dyed in the wool Leica fanatic , was simple beyond belief ,and mostly used a Blonde 2k and a Red Head 800w ot two
He was incredibly fast compared to the former but his results were brilliant,on one film about a Medieval Fletchter filmed on a frozen lake ,both cameramen were employed.
We thought their styles would clash dreadfully, however you could not spot the joins.
His simple technique stuck with me.
Keep it simple.
My mantra.
Roger
#16
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #16
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 601

studer58 is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolo 46 View Post
2 x MKH 30 on a tall C stand behind conductor
1 x MKH 40 next to conductor for soloists
On a hot July evening with thunder in the air.
Hi Rolo,

Great recording and performance ! Although I can't quite tell from the photo, I'm guessing the MKH30 fig 8 pair are in Blumlein configuration rather than Faulkner phased array (ie 8" specing) ?
#17
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #17
Lives for gear
 
Tommy-boy's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Location: Suburbs of Philly, PA
Posts: 739

Tommy-boy is online now
Sounds great. Well balanced.

-Tom
#18
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #18
Lives for gear
 
surflounge's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Location: east of Big Sur
Posts: 1,447
My Recordings/Credits

surflounge is offline
Thanks for sharing your very inspiring recording in such a beautiful place.
Fantastic to have that great space and performers. Civilization migrated in a counter-clockwise direction from East to West ending up on the coast of California. There are no cathedrals or castles here for performances, especially none able to capture what we enjoy in your post.
You have achieved so much more than ever can be recorded in a low ceiling bar with lousy bands playing the same loud rock/blues songs over and over.
Trade you anytime for what you have.
__________________
BEACH NOISE ® entertainment
#19
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #19
Gear maniac
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 252

heva is offline
Beautiful! MKH30's in Blumlein?
#20
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #20
Lives for gear
 
boojum's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2007
Location: Astoria, OR, US&A
Posts: 3,439

boojum is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by surflounge View Post
Thanks for sharing your very inspiring recording in such a beautiful place.
Fantastic to have that great space and performers. Civilization migrated in a counter-clockwise direction from East to West ending up on the coast of California. There are no cathedrals or castles here for performances, especially none able to capture what we enjoy in your post.
You have achieved so much more than ever can be recorded in a low ceiling bar with lousy bands playing the same loud rock/blues songs over and over.
Trade you anytime for what you have.
Amen, brother.
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#21
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #21
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
Mid side, MKH 30/30 is the configuration
The 8 is very effective for pan and tilt focussing, essential in this location.
Thanks for all your kind comments.
Roger
#22
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #22
Gear Head
 
Peter Allison's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Location: YORKSHIRE.. UK
Posts: 67

Send a message via MSN to Peter Allison
Peter Allison is offline
Roger, where is the church please? looks like a very nice screen organ, and the sound, as others have said, is wonderful. 100/100

Peter
#23
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #23
Lives for gear
 
mljung's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2006
Location: Copenhagen, DK
Posts: 1,434

mljung is offline
Just another praise: What a wonderful capture, it has bloom and spaciousness that I would never have guessed could come from an mid-side recording, even though I know MKH30, the best fig8 I have used, but still...
Well done!

::
Mads
__________________


¤ Sound and Visual Art ¤
¤ Risk Recording ¤





#24
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #24
Lives for gear
 
rumleymusic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,134

rumleymusic is online now
Quote:
has bloom and spaciousness that I would never have guessed could come from an mid-side recording
Don't get him started. lol

Balance is very nice, if a little in favor of the orchestra as to be expected in the deep setup. I do think the voice could sit just a little further back in the sound. It seems to be noticeably forward compared to everything else.
__________________
Daniel Rumley
Rumley Music and Audio Production
http://www.rumleymusic.com
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#25
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #25
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Allison View Post
Roger, where is the church please? looks like a very nice screen organ, and the sound, as others have said, is wonderful. 100/100

Peter
Its Gloucester Cathedral Peter.
#26
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #26
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 735

polytope is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by rumleymusic View Post
Don't get him started. lol

Balance is very nice, if a little in favor of the orchestra as to be expected in the deep setup. I do think the voice could sit just a little further back in the sound. It seems to be noticeably forward compared to everything else.
Upon second listening, the soloist sounded a little strained/tired at the beginning. Other than that, a delicious recording.
__________________
Good enough is not good enough.
#27
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #27
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Location: Espoo Finland
Posts: 1,070

Petrus is offline
What did the aliens sitting on the right side think about it?
#28
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #28
Lives for gear
 
hbphotoav's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: NashVegas
Posts: 1,524

hbphotoav is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrus View Post
What did the aliens sitting on the right side think about it?
"Needs more cello..." ?

HB
Rolo 46
Thread Starter
#29
19th August 2013
Old 19th August 2013
  #29
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Location: Stroud,Glos,UK
Posts: 2,162

Thread Starter
Rolo 46 is offline
Heres a hint more for Area 51...
Attached Files
File Type: mp3 Nagra VI031.Faure Requiem.mp3 (4.64 MB, 104 views)
#30
20th August 2013
Old 20th August 2013
  #30
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,269

aracu is offline
Big, spacious sound!
New Reply Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook  Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter  Submit Thread to LinkedIn LinkedIn  Submit Thread to Google+ Google+ 
 
Topic:
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Forum Jump

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.