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Old 2nd September 2006, 09:19 AM   #1
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Question Recording with no monitoring

doing a live demo recording in the following week, but wont have ideal monitoring i.e. ill be sat in the same room. I have enclosed headphones but obviously they aren't ideal. Any suggestions to get the best audio into PT with limited monitoring?

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doing a live demo recording in the following week, but wont have ideal monitoring i.e. ill be sat in the same room. I have enclosed headphones but obviously they aren't ideal. Any suggestions to get the best audio into PT with limited monitoring?

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I work in the same room all the time, no cans , no nothing at times.eyeballing levels.

I do fine.


but if you want a great set of earphones that provide spectacular isolation, check out etymotic er-4. I use those live...wonderful.
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Well...
know your cans for sound evaluation, and record multitrack for mixing later in defined acoustics and on speakers.
The more difficult part of this is knowing your cans.
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As you gain experience using your mic collection you will begin to be able to predict the exact sound of a particular mic placed on a particular instrument. The same holds true for the different choices of stereo microphone arrays. The more I experiment with my microphones on different instruments, the less often I am surprised during the session. this holds true even for remote sessions where I am unable to listen to the recorded sound, except during playback.

Eventually, I began to see the "big picture". Not just the sound of individual microphones, but how they would affect eachother once blended together in the mix. It certainly makes running sessions in the studio easier and faster, and the knowledge can be carried over into remote recording.
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Hit and miss becomes more and more of hit with experience as people better than me has described. I recommend bringing the headphones along in all cases, a quick listening on each channel may discover crackling cables and such.

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Obviously it's essential to be listening to the RECORDED sound at all times.

Using headphones is a good compromise especially if you're used to compensating as to how the headphone sound will transfer to loudspeakers.

Not only the above. . .it is instructive to listen to how different mics are picking up the same sounds. ie.---different timbres, reach, bass extension etc.

Flying blind is a prescription for getting your ass kicked by the other guy who IS listening all the time.
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but if you want a great set of earphones that provide spectacular isolation, check out etymotic er-4. I use those live...wonderful.
can follow that, own them since a week, and they are really incredibly isolating with a very detailed and realistic sound, once you get a tight seal. I suppose the critics come from those people not getting a tight seal.

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can follow that, own them since a week, and they are really incredibly isolating with a very detailed and realistic sound, once you get a tight seal. I suppose the critics come from those people not getting a tight seal.

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they are definitely not satisfying if the seal is not good.. but if it is...!
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they are definitely not satisfying if the seal is not good.. but if it is...!
I have used Westone UM1s and Ultimate Ears Super Fi 5s as well to good effect. Another thing you can do if you really need to is get some shooter's ear muffs. They are often listed as 25-30 db of attenuation. I also use Beyer DT770s and those have quite a good seal as well. The only real problem with them is judging the bass. They can put out a lot of low and it might not be apparent with the ambient bass going on.

As others have said before me, the real way to go is to do it a lot and get a sense of what you get. I have done a couple gigs with no monitors that have turned out pretty well, since I knew my location and my mics.

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