2 stereo mic techniques - Can you hear the difference?

petermedland · 1st September 2006

Hi all,

I recorded myself and an organist playing some music in a church the other day and I thought it would be interesting to use two different stereo techniques simultaneously to how they differ and which I prefer.

have a listen here and see if you can tell which is which.

d_fu · 1st September 2006

Could you provide direct links without Flash stuff?

Daniel

petermedland · 1st September 2006

The files are located in: http://www.trumpetracks.com/audio

It's the ones called Fasch clip and Fasch clip 2 you want. (The mp3's are 320kbps and the aifs are 44.1kHz/16 bit.)

d_fu · 1st September 2006

A bit short, both of them... And quite distant, making it more difficult to hear the difference.

1) Fasch clip is slightly spaced, but not omnis. ORTF or some derivative thereof.
2) Fasch clip 2 is something coincident, I'd say, MS or XY. Almost mono on a correlation meter also.

(EDITED: Listened again - I must have reversed/confused the clips when I first wrote this...)

If I'm wrong, I'll blame the recordist..

rob99 · 2nd September 2006

Hi, interesting difference. Thanks for the effort.

Prefer #1.

1. is smoother, stereo wider? more open

2. is more central/center channel like and in your face, forward and harsh.

what are the 2 techniques? Is all else equal other than mic stereo placement?

thanks

rob

RichS · 2nd September 2006

my guess...

1. XY pair
2. M/S

jds · 3rd September 2006

1. A-B omnis
2. M/S

My preference would be #1

David

Roland · 3rd September 2006

I've only listened very breifly on my computer speakers and as others have stated the samples are very short. I'm not usually one for these random tests, however like JDS above I got the feeling the first was slightly more ambient sounding and might be an A B set and the second poss near coincidence/coincidence pair, M/S type thing. It is always difficult to hear the differences if you know what you are looking for, this is a very blind test and other factors such as the acoustic could be playing a large factor.

Still be interested to know.

Roland

aussie_techie · 9th September 2006

is there an answer to this?

Laura Endres · 15th September 2006

my guess:
1. AB omnis
2. ORTF

I do agree with Roland, it's very difficult to say something, because you don't know anything about the recording situation.. though, I like this kind of riddles

I also like this forum, good work!

greets
Laura

petermedland · 19th October 2006

Sorry, I went off on holiday and forgot to post the answer when I got back!

If I remember rightly:

1: M/S pair with a Rode NT2A in fig 8 configuration and a Sennheiser MD441
2: XY pair of Rode NT5's

dlmorley · 19th October 2006

Am I allowed to prefer the Trumpet on 1 and the Organ on 2 ??

petermedland · 19th October 2006

no.

dlmorley · 19th October 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by petermedland

no.

Damn.. Then I'll go for 1.

1st September 2006	#4
d_fu Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 2,420	A bit short, both of them... And quite distant, making it more difficult to hear the difference. 1) Fasch clip is slightly spaced, but not omnis. ORTF or some derivative thereof. 2) Fasch clip 2 is something coincident, I'd say, MS or XY. Almost mono on a correlation meter also. (EDITED: Listened again - I must have reversed/confused the clips when I first wrote this...) If I'm wrong, I'll blame the recordist.. Last edited by d_fu; 3rd September 2006 at 04:39 PM.. Reason: Listened again - I must have reversed/confused the clips when I first wrote this...

3rd September 2006	#7
jds Gear interested Joined: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 13	my guess 1. A-B omnis 2. M/S My preference would be #1 David

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1st September 2006	#1
petermedland Gear Head Joined: May 2006 Posts: 39 Thread Starter	2 stereo mic techniques - Can you hear the difference? Hi all, I recorded myself and an organist playing some music in a church the other day and I thought it would be interesting to use two different stereo techniques simultaneously to how they differ and which I prefer. have a listen here and see if you can tell which is which.

2nd September 2006	#5
rob99 Lives for gear Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,317	Hi, interesting difference. Thanks for the effort. Prefer #1. 1. is smoother, stereo wider? more open 2. is more central/center channel like and in your face, forward and harsh. what are the 2 techniques? Is all else equal other than mic stereo placement? thanks rob

2nd September 2006	#6
RichS Gear maniac Joined: May 2006 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 259	my guess... 1. XY pair 2. M/S

3rd September 2006	#8
Roland Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2002 Location: St Leonards on Sea, England Posts: 2,133 2 Reviews written	I've only listened very breifly on my computer speakers and as others have stated the samples are very short. I'm not usually one for these random tests, however like JDS above I got the feeling the first was slightly more ambient sounding and might be an A B set and the second poss near coincidence/coincidence pair, M/S type thing. It is always difficult to hear the differences if you know what you are looking for, this is a very blind test and other factors such as the acoustic could be playing a large factor. Still be interested to know. Roland

9th September 2006	#9
aussie_techie Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2004 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 2,709	is there an answer to this?

15th September 2006	#10
Laura Endres Gear interested Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1	my guess: 1. AB omnis 2. ORTF I do agree with Roland, it's very difficult to say something, because you don't know anything about the recording situation.. though, I like this kind of riddles I also like this forum, good work! greets Laura

19th October 2006	#11
petermedland Gear Head Joined: May 2006 Posts: 39 Thread Starter	Sorry, I went off on holiday and forgot to post the answer when I got back! If I remember rightly: 1: M/S pair with a Rode NT2A in fig 8 configuration and a Sennheiser MD441 2: XY pair of Rode NT5's

19th October 2006	#12
dlmorley Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 4,932 1 Review written	Am I allowed to prefer the Trumpet on 1 and the Organ on 2 ??