classical guitar dilemma

[celticrogues]

Originally Posted by tenkas

or this is my main concern: ORTF with 4050 and TLM102, using different mics for a stereo pair seems like a nono, but I was wondering if someone had experimented with this before.

I have when I was young and silly... It sounds strange and unbalanced. There's a reason why matched stereo pairs are used.

If you love the sound of the 4050 why not hang the Oktavas as a stereo pair and use the 4050 as a mono spot mic? Could be cool.

Cheers!
-Mike

[tenkas]

How would you go with this?

4050 (or TLM102) close about 2 feet out and ORTF mc012 about 5 feet out?

Will this result in more phase issues (comb filtering, image shifts, etc)

THanks

[Timothy Lawler]

Tenkas, which ever mic's you go with I hope you post a sample of the results.

[rumleymusic]

4050 (or TLM102) close about 2 feet out and ORTF mc012 about 5 feet out?

Will this result in more phase issues (comb filtering, image shifts, etc)

It will sound fine. That kind of thing is not really an issue in a venue like a church. Phase has more to do with wavelength than the BS 3 to 1 rule that has been crammed down every beginning engineer's throats. A guitar's frequency range is really too high for phase to be a problem at that distance. Though I would suggest maybe 6+ feet away with the stereo pair in a NOS pattern, which I think is better than ORTF for solo instruments, and two spots on the guitar in different positions, balanced to taste. You'll find with classical guitar, 80% of the sound is going to come from the stereo pair, and spots are used just for a little added presence.

[tenkas]

thanks everyone. I will post the results for sure, it is in a very nice church.

What do you mean by "two spots on the guitar "?

[polytope]

Originally Posted by tenkas

thanks everyone. I will post the results for sure, it is in a very nice church.

What do you mean by "two spots on the guitar "?

Like one over the shoulder from behind and another pointing at the 12th fret or any other combination to capture anything that the main pair can't.

[x_25]

Does it have to be in stereo?

That said, the spots + room should work nice. I did a lot of recording in a church (well, it was actually a gymnasium, but they did a nice job on the acoustics! They called it a santuarium :P ) with spots on the stage then an ORTF of old NT5's up against the back wall. Those NT5's always had an amazinly nice reverb in them.

[tenkas]

Do you have any pictures of miked classical guitar (solo) with ortf and spot?

WOuld like to have more details about distance, height, pictures, etc.

[kraigyong]

with spots on the stage then an ORTF of old NT5's up against the back wall. Those NT5's always had an amazinly nice reverb in them.

[tenkas]

well I do not have a pair of NT5 so I will us my pair of mc012, I guess I can get the same result.