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#1 | | Gear maniac
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Thread Starter  |  Schoeps Capsules on other amps
Has anyone tried using Schoeps capsules on other mike amps, such as the AKG 480b's?
If so, were you satisfied with the results?
Any dangers in trying this?
Thanks.
John
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by John Brook Has anyone tried using Schoeps capsules on other mike amps, such as the AKG 480b's?
If so, were you satisfied with the results?
Any dangers in trying this?
Thanks.
John |
have you modified the akg c480 body?
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#3 | | Gear maniac
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I don't have any Schoeps to try, but I'd like the subcardioids. It's my favorite pattern. I know the diameter of the AKG is a whisker smaller, so the Schoeps ought to fit (if you trust the manufacturer's specs - the thought occurs to me that Schoeps makes the AKG capsules).
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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brother it won't work.  trust me.
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Originally Posted by John Brook I don't have any Schoeps to try, but I'd like the subcardioids. It's my favorite pattern. I know the diameter of the AKG is a whisker smaller, so the Schoeps ought to fit (if you trust the manufacturer's specs - the thought occurs to me that Schoeps makes the AKG capsules). |
Bad idea. forget about it. the "fit" has nothing to do with whether it will work or not.
You can use Josephson C617s with Graz, B+K, and MG caps though. 
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#6 | | Gear maniac
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Why won't it work? Are the voltage polarities reverse? Or are you saying this because you've tried it?
I find the AKG preamp quite stunning - smooth, distortion and noise free. It's a darn sight cheaper than the Schoeps.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by John Brook Why won't it work? Are the voltage polarities reverse? Or are you saying this because you've tried it?
I find the AKG preamp quite stunning - smooth, distortion and noise free. It's a darn sight cheaper than the Schoeps.
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why use a preamp if you want to use schoeps?? just get the active cables.
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Originally Posted by John Brook Why won't it work? Are the voltage polarities reverse? Or are you saying this because you've tried it?
I find the AKG preamp quite stunning - smooth, distortion and noise free. It's a darn sight cheaper than the Schoeps.
Thanks. |
trust me it won't work
the caps and body won't fit, unless you modify the c480 mic thread. 
the schoeps capsules require 60 volt for capsule polarization . 
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#9 | | Gear maniac
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Mr. G., thanks.
Will the Schoeps fit any other mike pre?
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Originally Posted by John Brook Will the Schoeps fit any other mike pre? | You're quite resistant to counsel...
Just forget the idea...
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Originally Posted by T.RayBullard why use a preamp if you want to use schoeps?? just get the active cables. |
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#12 | | Gear maniac
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So, Daniel, I'm guessing you work for Schoeps? This is a learning forum, and thus far, only one person has contributed anything worthwhile - that the Schoeps requies 60 v for polarizing. I'll have to fire up my 480b and see what they have.
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#13 | | Gear maniac
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And in answer to T.RayBullard, the Schoeps pre's whether tube or cable, are very expensive. The fundamental laws of economics dictate that a company producing many items will have a less cost per unit than one producing only a few. The Schoeps capsules may be worth the extra cost, Iam not so certain about their pre's. Which is why I asked if they fit any other pre's. Apparently not, or at least, no one has come forward with any.
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Originally Posted by John Brook the thought occurs to me that Schoeps makes the AKG capsules). | Certainly not.
Daniel
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Originally Posted by John Brook So, Daniel, I'm guessing you work for Schoeps? | What makes you think so? Quote: |
This is a learning forum, and thus far, only one person has contributed anything worthwhile - that the Schoeps requies 60 v for polarizing. I'll have to fire up my 480b and see what they have.
| Forget it, they simply won't physically fit. The mounting thread is different, the connectors are different. They are not standardized. You wouldn't put the wrong size of tires on your car, either, would you, just because they are cheaper...
Apart from the fact that there is no wide cardioid, the AKG capsules aren't bad either.
Daniel
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#16 | | Runs with scissors
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You're not the kind of guy who tries to hammer a square peg into a round hole, are you?
Microphone capsules are rarely interchangeable between manufacturers. Gefell/Josephson and AKG/Blue are the exceptions to the rule.
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Originally Posted by d_fu
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preamps arent just those square boxes you run mic signals through. they are also called "bodies"...Bodies = preamps. you dont need the schoeps bodies if you have active cables. Is that not commonly known?
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Originally Posted by John Brook And in answer to T.RayBullard, the Schoeps pre's whether tube or cable, are very expensive. The fundamental laws of economics dictate that a company producing many items will have a less cost per unit than one producing only a few. The Schoeps capsules may be worth the extra cost, Iam not so certain about their pre's. Which is why I asked if they fit any other pre's. Apparently not, or at least, no one has come forward with any. |
I meant the bodies, which are also preamps. you dont need "bodies" if you have the schoeps active cables..just the capsules, the active cable, and a lemo preamp*(like the Sonosax M2/ls2)
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Originally Posted by T.RayBullard I meant the bodies, which are also preamps. you dont need "bodies" if you have the schoeps active cables..just the capsules, the active cable, and a lemo preamp*(like the Sonosax M2/ls2) | Didn't know that thing... But that's rather special...
Daniel
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#20 | | Gear Guru
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AKG 460/480's polarize the capsule at 62 volts. Pretty standard stuff. To do this would require a brave and dedicated fellow to design and manufacture an adaptor ring similar to the one AKG makes for the 451 CK-1 capsule diameter to fit the 460 CK-61 diameter. I've been calling for this for years, no takers yet.
AKG capsules are excellent, but Schoeps makes more options. I just don't care for the sound of their electronics.
If anyone decided to make this, I will be the first to buy them, I have 5 460B's and two Josephsons.
Jim Williams
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#21 | | Gear addict
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Jim Williams:
If you can send me a drawing indicating the dimensions and threads involved, we might be willing to crank out your adapters on our CNC lathe.
In addition to mic stands and guitar slides we also make faceplates for Great River, and we modify Mag flashlights and make grilles for the InnerTube Audio MM2000 (MagMic).
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#22 | | Gear maniac
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Thanks, Jim
Actually, I have 5 AKG 480b's and it just seems like a waste to go out and spend $5 grand on Schoeps pre's if there was something that would fit.
Now I need to talk with Jeff about adaptor rings.
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Originally Posted by Jim Williams AKG 460/480's polarize the capsule at 62 volts. Pretty standard stuff. To do this would require a brave and dedicated fellow to design and manufacture an adaptor ring similar to the one AKG makes for the 451 CK-1 capsule diameter to fit the 460 CK-61 diameter. I've been calling for this for years, no takers yet.
AKG capsules are excellent, but Schoeps makes more options. I just don't care for the sound of their electronics.
If anyone decided to make this, I will be the first to buy them, I have 5 460B's and two Josephsons.
Jim Williams
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Originally Posted by John Brook Thanks, Jim
Actually, I have 5 AKG 480b's and it just seems like a waste to go out and spend $5 grand on Schoeps pre's if there was something that would fit.
Now I need to talk with Jeff about adaptor rings.
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it isnt going to work. just get the active cable. problem solved.
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I'm a buyer as well. I think this is a great idea. I would love to be able to use the Schoeps capsules. Would this work for the MK6 or MK8 as well? It would be nice to be able to get a small cap fig.8, which is something you really can't find with the AKG's.
In any case, I would want the adapter.
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before a thread mount is made it might be a good idea to research the actual circuitry or ask an ACTUAL Schoeps guy who knows the product inside and out. (I will ask my friend there)
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Originally Posted by T.RayBullard it isnt going to work. just get the active cable. problem solved. | ???
What's he going to connect them to? The regular Schoeps active cables are meant to be connected to the CMC preamps/bodies.
Daniel
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Originally Posted by d_fu ???
What's he going to connect them to? The regular Schoeps active cables are meant to be connected to the CMC preamps/bodies.
Daniel |
Sonosax M2/ls2 , the schoeps preamps...(VMS series)
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Originally Posted by T.RayBullard Sonosax M2/ls2 , the schoeps preamps...(VMS series) | Sure, but that misses the point... Either of these is going to be much more expensive than the AKG bodies the OP wants to screw his Schoeps capsules with, errr, onto...
Daniel
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Originally Posted by d_fu Sure, but that misses the point... Either of these is going to be much more expensive than the AKG bodies the OP wants to screw his Schoeps capsules with, errr, onto...
Daniel |
Not true. the bodies have to be modified to allow for schoeps capsules to be used(provided it is feasible)...how many mod people do you know that do the work for free??? as is already established, you cant just put the caps on there as is. | |
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#30 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by T.RayBullard Not true. the bodies have to be modified to allow for schoeps capsules to be used(provided it is feasible)...how many mod people do you know that do the work for free??? as is already established, you cant just put the caps on there as is. | Well, I assume two active cables plus the Sonosax are also a lot more expensive than two Schoeps bodies...
Daniel
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