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Old 18th September 2012   #1
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Offset spaced tail pair on grand piano?

Today I tried something a little bit different rig at the tail end for a solo piano recording. I set the pair up at different altitudes to match the angle of the lid going up, so that the treble side mic was about a foot higher than the bass side. I thought the result was nice, and didn't seem to have any timing or phase problems.

My reason for trying this was to see if cutting out lid reflections from the mic pickup made a difference in how the sound was captured. It is difficult to judge subjectively how much better/worse the capture was, as I blended this with a front pair for my final sound. The front pair led the tail pair by about 5db in the final 2tk mix.

I'll try and throw some samples up tomorrow.

Has anyone else ever done this on the tail pair before? What say ye?
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Since you know what you did, it would be informative to perhaps do a direct comparison with two pairs... one "standard", one with your elevated perspective. Probably a hassle... but certainly better than conjecture. Ears will tell...
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Since you know what you did, it would be informative to perhaps do a direct comparison with two pairs... one "standard", one with your elevated perspective. Probably a hassle... but certainly better than conjecture. Ears will tell...
Yeah, it would be informative. I was just wondering if anyone had tried this before.
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Using the two mics at the butt end and combining with two front mics is a classic way to record piano trio too.

Using all omni mics, the set up depends on precise (measured according to a
diagram) placement of mics and players.

For pure piano recordings, balls out engineers go for the butt end placement. Usually the only supplemental mics used then would be hall ambience mics.
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I have thought about it a couple times, but never really thought to try it. I guess I didn't think it would make too much of a difference. You really would have to AB it to see if there is even a slight change.
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This is what I'm talking about.
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Sreen shot from Pianomania (recording of Art of Fugue
by Pierre-Laurent Aimard for DG) and from Beethoven Piano Sonatas DVDs by Barenboim for EMI. Neumann M 50 for Aimard and Neumann TLM 50 for Bearenboim ?
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Cool pics, Didier! Lends some weight to the method described. I will try this the next time I'm recording piano in October - should be able to put up three mics so we can compare having the left mic elevated vs not elevated.

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Ooohh-Raahh! Looking forward to hearing snips...

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