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Old 11th August 2012   #1
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Clothing rustle and hiding Lav mics

Hi ya'll, I know this has been covered somewhat in other threads but I thought it'd be worth bringing up again. I've been on a short film shoot the last few days where the two main actors are a guy dressed like a clown and a 13 year old girl in a hoodie.

I'm having some issues with clothing rustle on the two lavs (mke-2's), especially on the clown costume as its covered in paint and he has a cravat + many layers of stiff jackets and waist coats etc. I've been using the rycote undercovers on both but I'm still getting a lot of clothing noise when cloth brushes against the mic, the clown has a mic on top of his shirt which sits under a cravat/neckerchief type thing, I was hoping this would create a cavity for the mic to sit in but its still getting brushed.

The girls is just inside the hood of her hoodie near the collar with an undercover over it, has less rustle but still more than I'd like. I've attached a photo of how I'd normally do a mic under a t-shirt too, this works for me but only when the mic can sit in the hollow of the chest , which has to be of a reasonable size.

Anywhere else and I get loads of clothing noise again.



Any suggestions or just a general debate on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
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If you fit a small ring around the mic capsule, it won't rub. Also, spandex is your friend. If the undergarment is spandex, it won't make rubbing noise. This is why foley artists always wear spandex. A bicycle shirt will work in a pinch.
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If you fit a small ring around the mic capsule, it won't rub. Also, spandex is your friend. If the undergarment is spandex, it won't make rubbing noise. This is why foley artists always wear spandex. A bicycle shirt will work in a pinch.
Hi Jim, do you mean wrap a small ring of something around the capsule like a I have done with the moleskin in the picture or something different?
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Something more like a rubber gromet to add some space off the chest. Shave those chest hairs too. That way when you pull it off he won't yell too much.
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If the costume will allow it I've had good luck putting a piece of Topstick between the mic and the shirt as well as taping the mic to the actor - so not only is the mic taped to the body, but the clothing is also taped to the top of the mic. This prevents the shirt from moving around on the mic and rustling. I did this the other day with a guy wearing a big scarf - hid the mic under the scarf and taped the scarf to the mic so it wouldn't move - worked great.

I'd be interested to hear others' ideas too though!


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I hesitate to throw my $.02 in here as every production soundman I have ever met has his/her own way of doing this and after a few years, usually makes it work.

Here is what I have found; the simpler, for me, the better. I use Sonotrims (uprated Trams) or Countryman B6 lavs, so all you guys who use Sankens and AT and whatever, yes, you probably have another method. The Trams sound best and seem to be the least scratchy in their vampire clips, grills into the clip and simply pinned into the wardrobe is the area of least contact. These work really well on polo-type shirts and open neck dresses where the cleavage provides a natural space.

The B6s are, more and more, getting poked out through button holes and secured behind the button with a tiny dab of Joe's Stuff: Joe's Sticky Stuff ™ ::: Homepage.

This leaves the head of the mic on the outside of the wardrobe and just the tiniest little bit visible, which only the most anal and inexperienced DP will fuss about. If you are looking at the lav, the shot must be pretty boring otherwise, right? Some will give you trouble, most won't.

Of course, there are a thousand different and difficult lav situations, but we've managed, in many seasons of TV to mic almost everything successfully.

As to shaving chest hair, no woman will hear of it and neither will most men. Sometimes, as well, there will be a situation that will be really hard to make a lav sound good. Just like any other situation that might come up for a soundman, we do the best we can, professionally and conscientiously, and we then leave it in the capable hands of the other half of our on-screen craft and let the post guys and ADR folks have a go at it.

BTW, in 35 years of doing this, I have tried every imaginable combination of foam, make-up sponges, moleskin, gaff tape, triangles, squares, tubes, hoops and bicycle wheels. Not sayin' they don't work, just what seems to work best for my team.

Remember, this is my opinion on the matter only. Everyone else, have at!

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A source of noise is the tape holding the lav down, rubbing against clothing. I recommend testing and comparing various brands.
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Oh, and...

Sometimes the wardrobe just make noise, acoustic noise, that the mic picks up. Small mics make it possible to hide the mic in the actor's hair or wig. Been doing that in legit theater for years and sometimes, I use that technique in just such a case. Get the stylists to help; they usually have cool clips in their kit. Just pin it down as far front in the hairline as possible. It is a very good sounding mic placement most times.

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As Doug says
I loved trams for hideing
We built some small cages for them which were good occasionally
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+1 on the "mic poking out" solution. I usually use generic band-aid tape a bit below the capsule to hold it in place, and "Fixomull Stretch" right over the capsule. This stuff is acoustically transparent and can be painted to match the clothes' colour.
Done this with MKE-1 and Cos-11.
A safe place with women is in the middle of the bra. Boobs leave free space around the mic - however this placement needs a bit of treble lifting in post. Rather lift some treble than remove rustling, though. Beware of heart beating.
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A wardrobe person on a shoot last week had a elastic belt like thing that made it possible to mount a transmitter quickly on an actor's back if she was wearing a dress with no pockets. Don't know what it's called. Similar item: Franzus P3100.
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