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Old 3rd August 2012   #1
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I was at a show at a small jazz club in DC last night. Four-piece band. The instrument mics were sent through stage amps but the vocal mic went through the room's built-in PA system, which had speakers around the room near the ceiling. The effect of this was trippy. Given that the bulk of sound was emanating from the stage, the vocals by contrast sounded like the voice of God from above, who had somehow descended from the heavens to sing along. It felt like the sounds were coming from two utterly different places.

I don't get out to see much live music, but I don't remember hearing this before. Is this common practice? In any case, what is the thinking behind setting it up this way?
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Quite possibly it is due to the club owner not wanting speakers put where they would be best placed.

you have to remember they are interested in selling beer, etc, some may run a jazz club because they love jazz music, others see it as a way of getting punters through the door.
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I mix fairly frequently at a venue with a similar sort of setup (is a jazz venue as well coincidentally).

The short version of the story is that we used to have a traditional forward throwing PA, but the actual room where the band performs is fairly open, an incorporates a seating/tv sort of area as well as the main bar.

The club decided that they wanted a solution that would be less of an inconvenience to the rest of the club (I.e the pokie players) but would still be "loud enough" for the little jazz venue.

The end result was what was called a sound ceiling, which is basically a down throwing PA system. When you're under the ceiling, the sound is there, but if you move 5ft away from under it, the sound is dramatically reduced.

Unlike your example, I actually mix the entire band through the ceiling, only exception being that there is minimal drums going through. Even though the band aren't too loud on stage, you still get a certain amount of bleed from the stage down to where the audience is.

It's not ideal (and because of my mix position, it's a PITA to mix), and it can be very odd when experiencing it for the first time. As others have suggested, I would assume that the reason for your example is pretty much the same as with mine.
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I mix fairly frequently at a venue with a similar sort of setup (is a jazz venue as well coincidentally).

The short version of the story is that we used to have a traditional forward throwing PA, but the actual room where the band performs is fairly open, an incorporates a seating/tv sort of area as well as the main bar.

The club decided that they wanted a solution that would be less of an inconvenience to the rest of the club (I.e the pokie players) but would still be "loud enough" for the little jazz venue.

The end result was what was called a sound ceiling, which is basically a down throwing PA system. When you're under the ceiling, the sound is there, but if you move 5ft away from under it, the sound is dramatically reduced.

Unlike your example, I actually mix the entire band through the ceiling, only exception being that there is minimal drums going through. Even though the band aren't too loud on stage, you still get a certain amount of bleed from the stage down to where the audience is.

It's not ideal (and because of my mix position, it's a PITA to mix), and it can be very odd when experiencing it for the first time. As others have suggested, I would assume that the reason for your example is pretty much the same as with mine.

Hey, thanks for the explanation. That's interesting. Makes sense for that setting. Kinda goofy though for the club I went to, which is 100% dedicated to music. Everyone who's there is there for the show. Maybe they're trying to ensure the vocals reach every nook and cranny of the room. Anyway, cheers.
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