DPA 4021 - Any Experience?

rwhitney · 12th May 2006, 07:47 PM

Is the cardioid DPA 4021 good for recording upright bass in small jazz ensembles? I imagine the boominess can be rolled off, and the cardioid pattern will help against bleed more than the omni. Anyone have any experience with this?

T.RayBullard · 12th May 2006, 08:00 PM

I havent used the 4021, but the 4060 sounds absolutely phenomenal on upright..

lot cheaper too..

rwhitney · 12th May 2006, 08:15 PM

Thanks T,

I've heard that the 4060 works well on bass, but because the DPA is a tiny mic that can be suspended from the strings behind the bridge, it should have considerably less bleed from other instruments like drums and piano. It'll also move with the bassist, for consistency.

rwhitney · 13th May 2006, 02:06 AM

Oh, I see, the DPA 4060, not the AT4060!! Sorry. Don't you get a lot of bleed using an omni in the same room with the other instruments?

Jim vanBergen · 13th May 2006, 02:22 AM

The 4021 sounds great on bass, cello, tuba, and piano. It moves well with the player and has several clip options that work nicely. Make sure you get the full shockmount for the element. The proximity CAN be rolled off if you find it too prominent- Sometimes, however, it can be just what you like! I have used this mic for classical music, theatrical orchestra, and jazz with good results.

Personally I would not go with the 4060 as my first choice though I do love it as a clip-on lav on violin.

I think if you have a good player with a good instrument, you'll enjoy the 4021 as it sounds super accurate.

Hope this helps!

Jim

T.RayBullard · 13th May 2006, 02:47 AM

I never had a problem with Bleed. I used DPAs suggestion of the 4060, and was very happy with it. I dont care for cardiods(generally) on close micd bass, ymmv..
I only do classical music, so my experience is limited to classical applications.

I used 4060s on Bass, Cello, Violin, Classical Guitar, and many other things.

rwhitney · 13th May 2006, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim vanBergen

...Make sure you get the full shockmount for the element. ...
Hope this helps!

Jim

This does help. By "full shockmount" do you mean the VH4000 kit for mounting on stringed instruments?

Do you use the 4021 in combination with another mic? I've read that's the way it was intended to be used.

Many thanks to both of you for this help.

Jim vanBergen · 18th May 2006, 01:18 AM

Sorry for the delay in reply.

I prefer the CSM4000 for a 4021 on a short stand with boom extended to the instrument as opposed to a clip-on if I can swing it. The VH4k I have used on Celli, Viola and Violin but have never actually tried to get it to FIT on a bass bridge, though I'm sure there is a way.

When I've used the 4021, I've not needed a second mic. If the bass player has a pickup, however, I would track that separately. If short of tracks, I'd go mic only unless the DI smokes the mic sound- which has never happened, but you never know.

Does that hep?

rwhitney · 18th May 2006, 02:04 AM

Yes, thank you very much. I'll try mounting it on the bass for my first try because I'm worried this guy moves around a lot. But yeah, I'm going to get that mic ASAP.

rwhitney · 1st June 2008, 10:27 AM

I've been using the DPA 4021 with the VH4000 Vln/Bass mount every once in a while for a little over two years now, so I thought I should report on my impressions of it.

It's a great little mic for jazz upright bass when there's no isolation. It sounds very clear and big. With its cardioid pattern, it can be boomy. The VH4000 mount does not extend all the way to the f-hole on the bass, which is frustrating. I'll look into making an extension.

Otherwise, I'm quite satisfied with having this mic in our collection for special occasions.

Jim vanBergen · 1st June 2008, 09:59 PM

Ross, thanks for sharing. I'm glad you like it!

JvB

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12th May 2006, 07:47 PM	#1
rwhitney Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 884	DPA 4021 - Any Experience? Is the cardioid DPA 4021 good for recording upright bass in small jazz ensembles? I imagine the boominess can be rolled off, and the cardioid pattern will help against bleed more than the omni. Anyone have any experience with this? __________________ Ross Whitney (non-professional) rwhitney@uci.edu

12th May 2006, 08:00 PM	#2
T.RayBullard Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Columbus County, North Carolina Posts: 2,431	I havent used the 4021, but the 4060 sounds absolutely phenomenal on upright.. lot cheaper too.. __________________ I think it is wrong to make everything equidistant from the listener with too many mics. The pasting-on effects end up like bad Photoshop work on graphics & photos - too unbelievable.-Tony Faulkner http://www.last.fm/user/TeddyBullard/

12th May 2006, 08:15 PM	#3
rwhitney Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 884	Thanks T, I've heard that the 4060 works well on bass, but because the DPA is a tiny mic that can be suspended from the strings behind the bridge, it should have considerably less bleed from other instruments like drums and piano. It'll also move with the bassist, for consistency. __________________ Ross Whitney (non-professional) rwhitney@uci.edu

13th May 2006, 02:06 AM	#4
rwhitney Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 884	Oh, I see, the DPA 4060, not the AT4060!! Sorry. Don't you get a lot of bleed using an omni in the same room with the other instruments? __________________ Ross Whitney (non-professional) rwhitney@uci.edu

13th May 2006, 02:22 AM	#5
Jim vanBergen Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Friggin' City Posts: 2,286	The 4021 sounds great on bass, cello, tuba, and piano. It moves well with the player and has several clip options that work nicely. Make sure you get the full shockmount for the element. The proximity CAN be rolled off if you find it too prominent- Sometimes, however, it can be just what you like! I have used this mic for classical music, theatrical orchestra, and jazz with good results. Personally I would not go with the 4060 as my first choice though I do love it as a clip-on lav on violin. I think if you have a good player with a good instrument, you'll enjoy the 4021 as it sounds super accurate. Hope this helps! Jim

13th May 2006, 02:47 AM	#6
T.RayBullard Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Columbus County, North Carolina Posts: 2,431	I never had a problem with Bleed. I used DPAs suggestion of the 4060, and was very happy with it. I dont care for cardiods(generally) on close micd bass, ymmv.. I only do classical music, so my experience is limited to classical applications. I used 4060s on Bass, Cello, Violin, Classical Guitar, and many other things. __________________ I think it is wrong to make everything equidistant from the listener with too many mics. The pasting-on effects end up like bad Photoshop work on graphics & photos - too unbelievable.-Tony Faulkner http://www.last.fm/user/TeddyBullard/

18th May 2006, 01:18 AM	#8
Jim vanBergen Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Friggin' City Posts: 2,286	Where are my manners? Sorry for the delay in reply. I prefer the CSM4000 for a 4021 on a short stand with boom extended to the instrument as opposed to a clip-on if I can swing it. The VH4k I have used on Celli, Viola and Violin but have never actually tried to get it to FIT on a bass bridge, though I'm sure there is a way. When I've used the 4021, I've not needed a second mic. If the bass player has a pickup, however, I would track that separately. If short of tracks, I'd go mic only unless the DI smokes the mic sound- which has never happened, but you never know. Does that hep?

18th May 2006, 02:04 AM	#9
rwhitney Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 884	Yes, thank you very much. I'll try mounting it on the bass for my first try because I'm worried this guy moves around a lot. But yeah, I'm going to get that mic ASAP. __________________ Ross Whitney (non-professional) rwhitney@uci.edu

1st June 2008, 10:27 AM	#10
rwhitney Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 884	2-YR Follow Up I've been using the DPA 4021 with the VH4000 Vln/Bass mount every once in a while for a little over two years now, so I thought I should report on my impressions of it. It's a great little mic for jazz upright bass when there's no isolation. It sounds very clear and big. With its cardioid pattern, it can be boomy. The VH4000 mount does not extend all the way to the f-hole on the bass, which is frustrating. I'll look into making an extension. Otherwise, I'm quite satisfied with having this mic in our collection for special occasions. __________________ Ross Whitney (non-professional) rwhitney@uci.edu

1st June 2008, 09:59 PM	#11
Jim vanBergen Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Friggin' City Posts: 2,286	Ross, thanks for sharing. I'm glad you like it! JvB

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