16 channels of 1:2 line level splits?

dubrichie · 3rd May 2006, 03:25 PM

alrighty,

i need to split 16 channels 2 ways each at line level to get signal to both main and backup recorders.

is it ok to just use simple y-cables? the signals will be of high quality, eg: gefell mics, wunder/chandler pres, etc. so i dont want to compromise this in any way.

if you can recommend a splitter box, active, passive, tranny isolated, whatever, please do.

again, just a very simple 16 channel 1:2 splitter.

thanks,

regards,

richie.

Clueless · 3rd May 2006, 03:36 PM

If you're feeding one line level signal to two Hi-Z inputs (which it sounds like you are doing), then using a Y-cable is no worse than taking a feed off your friendly patchbay. Given the number of people who seem quite comfortable to put patchbays in between their high-end gear and their high-end consoles, and given the number of people who will, when they need to, take a feed from their patchbay into some efx device headed for some additional set of inputs, I think you can rest assured that a Y cable (or 16) will do the trick.

As for signal loss--don't worry. You're not going to lose much splitting a signal into two Hi-Z (1 MOhm) recording inputs!

dubrichie · 4th May 2006, 01:14 PM

thanks clueless,

thants what i figured but just wanted some more opinions as i have gotten a few conflicting ones already.

regards,

richie.

**Jules** · 4th May 2006, 01:32 PM

This is a good one for this forum..

Diskordia · 9th May 2006, 06:34 PM

this topic needs more attention because everyone should be splitting their signal and we all can't afford a thousand dollar splitter box..which is said to be low quality (?)

**Remoteness** · 9th May 2006, 07:10 PM

A "Half Normal" patch bay is exactly what you're looking for.
The top row of jacks can be split or monitored by patching a cable while it still makes the connection to the bottom row of jacks. The bottom row can be disconnected from the top row by dead patching directly into the bottom row.

**Remoteness** · 9th May 2006, 07:48 PM

Here are two pictures of Jethro's dual multitrack machine panel.
We have 48 channels from the console on the first two ELCOs.
The middle set of two ELCOs are the console return feeds.
The last the last two ELCO are the inputs to the chassis mounted ELCO splitter.
Machine A and Machine B flank the console return ELCOs...

dubrichie · 10th May 2006, 05:34 PM

half normal patch, so simple!

great idea steve, and flexible.

thanks,

regards,

richie.

**Remoteness** · 10th May 2006, 05:57 PM

Keep in mind we use both depending on the situation.

The line level stuff is "Half Normal" patch bay jacks but, we still have two 24 channel chassis mounted ELCO 90s Y cords by the multitracks.

I'm all about options... It sounds like the "Half Normal" patch bay idea will work just fine for your setup.

Good luck and keep us posted on your developments.

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3rd May 2006, 03:25 PM	#1
dubrichie Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 1,093	16 channels of 1:2 line level splits? alrighty, i need to split 16 channels 2 ways each at line level to get signal to both main and backup recorders. is it ok to just use simple y-cables? the signals will be of high quality, eg: gefell mics, wunder/chandler pres, etc. so i dont want to compromise this in any way. if you can recommend a splitter box, active, passive, tranny isolated, whatever, please do. again, just a very simple 16 channel 1:2 splitter. thanks, regards, richie. __________________ regards, richie. "a paradigm of restraint and good taste at a time of frequent excess"

3rd May 2006, 03:36 PM	#2
Clueless Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 521	A patchbay is just a splitter If you're feeding one line level signal to two Hi-Z inputs (which it sounds like you are doing), then using a Y-cable is no worse than taking a feed off your friendly patchbay. Given the number of people who seem quite comfortable to put patchbays in between their high-end gear and their high-end consoles, and given the number of people who will, when they need to, take a feed from their patchbay into some efx device headed for some additional set of inputs, I think you can rest assured that a Y cable (or 16) will do the trick. As for signal loss--don't worry. You're not going to lose much splitting a signal into two Hi-Z (1 MOhm) recording inputs!

4th May 2006, 01:14 PM	#3
dubrichie Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 1,093	thanks clueless, thants what i figured but just wanted some more opinions as i have gotten a few conflicting ones already. regards, richie. __________________ regards, richie. "a paradigm of restraint and good taste at a time of frequent excess"

4th May 2006, 01:32 PM	#4
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 11,701	This is a good one for this forum.. __________________ Jules "your requirements are arbitrarily mandating a non-native solution" - Peeder

9th May 2006, 06:34 PM	#5
Diskordia Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MN Posts: 92	this topic needs more attention because everyone should be splitting their signal and we all can't afford a thousand dollar splitter box..which is said to be low quality (?)

9th May 2006, 07:10 PM	#6
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,880	A "Half Normal" patch bay is exactly what you're looking for. The top row of jacks can be split or monitored by patching a cable while it still makes the connection to the bottom row of jacks. The bottom row can be disconnected from the top row by dead patching directly into the bottom row. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

9th May 2006, 07:48 PM	#7
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,880	Here are two pictures of Jethro's dual multitrack machine panel. We have 48 channels from the console on the first two ELCOs. The middle set of two ELCOs are the console return feeds. The last the last two ELCO are the inputs to the chassis mounted ELCO splitter. Machine A and Machine B flank the console return ELCOs... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

10th May 2006, 05:34 PM	#8
dubrichie Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 1,093	half normal patch, so simple! great idea steve, and flexible. thanks, regards, richie. __________________ regards, richie. "a paradigm of restraint and good taste at a time of frequent excess"

10th May 2006, 05:57 PM	#9
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,880	Keep in mind we use both depending on the situation. The line level stuff is "Half Normal" patch bay jacks but, we still have two 24 channel chassis mounted ELCO 90s Y cords by the multitracks. I'm all about options... It sounds like the "Half Normal" patch bay idea will work just fine for your setup. Good luck and keep us posted on your developments. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

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