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Recording flamenco-jazz band. Advices please

Hi everybody!

Next week a jazz quartet comes to my studio to record 3 flamenco-jazz songs.
They want to record all at the same time. Drums, sax, piano and electric bass are the instruments.

I only have a recording room and a control room, and I thinking of recording drums and bass (with a DI) in the recording room and keyboard and sax in the control room with headphones.

1.- Can I use 2 OH on drums and a mic on bassdrum and another on snare, or is adviced put mics on everywhere I can on jazz drums?
2.- And 2 OH only is so enought?
3.- I only have 2 good preamps (api 512c) and the other are in my tascam fw1884 and my yamaha 01V. In what instruments would you use the API preamps?

Looking at my mics what seting do you use to record that band?

2x senn md421
1x senn md421N
1x shure sm81
3x sm 57
1x beta57
1x beta58
4x sm 58
1x behringuer B2
1x T.Bone RB500 (ribbon)
1x senn e602
1x EV 635a
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They want to record all at the same time. That means they want to be in the same room. Don't ruin their vibe so you can isolate each channel.

DI the bass + keyboard but also mic their amps. Use a little judicious isolation, gobos or something rigged, around the sax and drums but nothing higher than 4ft or so - they want to see each other. Stand in the middle of the room and put a couple of mics where everything sounds good. You might get most of your mix from that.

Any of those mics will do. Throw up up and listen to 'em. 3 on the drums is enough. i'd put one between the snare +hh and one on the kick. you can put another overhead but you probably won't need it for the bleed you'll get. And dude, borrow some more mic pres, you're embarrassing yourself and us with that yamaha and tascam stuff. Something, anything half decent - symetrix, rane, or an allen + heath board. Otherwise you'll be banned from gearslutz.
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Can you have a 'Flamenco' recording without a
flamenco guitar? Or are you just recording backing
tracks?

Just curious.


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No, you can certainly call that grouping what you want but the Flamenco genre is traditionally guitar inclusive, if only for it's percussive elements.
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It's no necessary the nylon guitar. You can hear "Chano dominguez" or "chick corea" on "armando's rumba". Piano replace the nylon guitar.

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Piano replace the nylon guitar.


Sorry, I know you are from the land of Flamenco, but that's a strange substitution. The percussive elements of the rasgueado cannot be changed out that easily.
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Listening now.....I think it's actually illustrating my points.
It's a nice melding of flavors, but it's flamenco attributes are spotty and not of the variety considered authentic to my ears, Anglo that I am.

I like it though.
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How provincial. Like saying you can't have jazz w/o a saxophone.

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Can you have a 'Flamenco' recording without a
flamenco guitar? Or are you just recording backing
tracks?

Just curious.


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I hope you have some kind of absoption behind your walls. The red wall looks like fabric.

Otherwise you'll be in trouble. Is that tile on your floor?
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Just depends where you're coming from or where you've been. Not an argument worth anything. The 'feeling' of flamenco is in the guitar and voice, the pounding of feet and hands clapping, not to mention the asthetic of the dancer's bravado. Doesn't get any better than that.
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Quote:
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I hope you have some kind of absoption behind your walls. The red wall looks like fabric.

Otherwise you'll be in trouble. Is that tile on your floor?
Behind the fabric is the absorver. The floor is tile as you say.

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