Recording flamenco-jazz band. Advices please

Wakena2003 · 26th March 2006, 10:10 PM

Hi everybody!

Next week a jazz quartet comes to my studio to record 3 flamenco-jazz songs.
They want to record all at the same time. Drums, sax, piano and electric bass are the instruments.

I only have a recording room and a control room, and I thinking of recording drums and bass (with a DI) in the recording room and keyboard and sax in the control room with headphones.

1.- Can I use 2 OH on drums and a mic on bassdrum and another on snare, or is adviced put mics on everywhere I can on jazz drums?
2.- And 2 OH only is so enought?
3.- I only have 2 good preamps (api 512c) and the other are in my tascam fw1884 and my yamaha 01V. In what instruments would you use the API preamps?

Looking at my mics what seting do you use to record that band?

2x senn md421
1x senn md421N
1x shure sm81
3x sm 57
1x beta57
1x beta58
4x sm 58
1x behringuer B2
1x T.Bone RB500 (ribbon)
1x senn e602
1x EV 635a

Beauarts · 27th March 2006, 12:46 AM

They want to record all at the same time. That means they want to be in the same room. Don't ruin their vibe so you can isolate each channel.

DI the bass + keyboard but also mic their amps. Use a little judicious isolation, gobos or something rigged, around the sax and drums but nothing higher than 4ft or so - they want to see each other. Stand in the middle of the room and put a couple of mics where everything sounds good. You might get most of your mix from that.

Any of those mics will do. Throw up up and listen to 'em. 3 on the drums is enough. i'd put one between the snare +hh and one on the kick. you can put another overhead but you probably won't need it for the bleed you'll get. And dude, borrow some more mic pres, you're embarrassing yourself and us with that yamaha and tascam stuff. Something, anything half decent - symetrix, rane, or an allen + heath board. Otherwise you'll be banned from gearslutz.

Wakena2003 · 27th March 2006, 01:41 PM

this is my studio:

http://es.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lan...49.jpg&.src=ph

I have no panels, but perhaps a DIY solution will be not bad...

redrue · 27th March 2006, 03:29 PM

Can you have a 'Flamenco' recording without a
flamenco guitar? Or are you just recording backing
tracks?

Just curious.

Rue

Cornvalley · 27th March 2006, 04:48 PM

No, you can certainly call that grouping what you want but the Flamenco genre is traditionally guitar inclusive, if only for it's percussive elements.

Wakena2003 · 27th March 2006, 05:42 PM

It's no necessary the nylon guitar. You can hear "Chano dominguez" or "chick corea" on "armando's rumba". Piano replace the nylon guitar.

Cheers

Cornvalley · 27th March 2006, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wakena2003

Piano replace the nylon guitar.

Sorry, I know you are from the land of Flamenco, but that's a strange substitution. The percussive elements of the rasgueado cannot be changed out that easily.

Wakena2003 · 27th March 2006, 09:37 PM

hear some samples in amazon of this Chano Dominguez record:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music

cheers

Cornvalley · 27th March 2006, 09:58 PM

Listening now.....I think it's actually illustrating my points.
It's a nice melding of flavors, but it's flamenco attributes are spotty and not of the variety considered authentic to my ears, Anglo that I am.

I like it though.

Beauarts · 27th March 2006, 10:01 PM

How provincial. Like saying you can't have jazz w/o a saxophone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by redrue

Can you have a 'Flamenco' recording without a
flamenco guitar? Or are you just recording backing
tracks?

Just curious.

Rue

Beauarts · 27th March 2006, 10:05 PM

I hope you have some kind of absoption behind your walls. The red wall looks like fabric.

Otherwise you'll be in trouble. Is that tile on your floor?

Cornvalley · 27th March 2006, 10:11 PM

Just depends where you're coming from or where you've been. Not an argument worth anything. The 'feeling' of flamenco is in the guitar and voice, the pounding of feet and hands clapping, not to mention the asthetic of the dancer's bravado. Doesn't get any better than that.

Wakena2003 · 28th March 2006, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beauarts

I hope you have some kind of absoption behind your walls. The red wall looks like fabric.

Otherwise you'll be in trouble. Is that tile on your floor?

Behind the fabric is the absorver. The floor is tile as you say.

cheers!

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26th March 2006, 10:10 PM	#1
Wakena2003 Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Spain Posts: 147	Recording flamenco-jazz band. Advices please Hi everybody! Next week a jazz quartet comes to my studio to record 3 flamenco-jazz songs. They want to record all at the same time. Drums, sax, piano and electric bass are the instruments. I only have a recording room and a control room, and I thinking of recording drums and bass (with a DI) in the recording room and keyboard and sax in the control room with headphones. 1.- Can I use 2 OH on drums and a mic on bassdrum and another on snare, or is adviced put mics on everywhere I can on jazz drums? 2.- And 2 OH only is so enought? 3.- I only have 2 good preamps (api 512c) and the other are in my tascam fw1884 and my yamaha 01V. In what instruments would you use the API preamps? Looking at my mics what seting do you use to record that band? 2x senn md421 1x senn md421N 1x shure sm81 3x sm 57 1x beta57 1x beta58 4x sm 58 1x behringuer B2 1x T.Bone RB500 (ribbon) 1x senn e602 1x EV 635a

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27th March 2006, 12:46 AM	#2
Beauarts Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 343	They want to record all at the same time. That means they want to be in the same room. Don't ruin their vibe so you can isolate each channel. DI the bass + keyboard but also mic their amps. Use a little judicious isolation, gobos or something rigged, around the sax and drums but nothing higher than 4ft or so - they want to see each other. Stand in the middle of the room and put a couple of mics where everything sounds good. You might get most of your mix from that. Any of those mics will do. Throw up up and listen to 'em. 3 on the drums is enough. i'd put one between the snare +hh and one on the kick. you can put another overhead but you probably won't need it for the bleed you'll get. And dude, borrow some more mic pres, you're embarrassing yourself and us with that yamaha and tascam stuff. Something, anything half decent - symetrix, rane, or an allen + heath board. Otherwise you'll be banned from gearslutz.

27th March 2006, 01:41 PM	#3
Wakena2003 Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Spain Posts: 147	this is my studio: http://es.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lan...49.jpg&.src=ph I have no panels, but perhaps a DIY solution will be not bad...

27th March 2006, 04:48 PM	#5
Cornvalley Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Woodland Hiils, CA Posts: 343	No, you can certainly call that grouping what you want but the Flamenco genre is traditionally guitar inclusive, if only for it's percussive elements.

27th March 2006, 05:42 PM	#6
Wakena2003 Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Spain Posts: 147	It's no necessary the nylon guitar. You can hear "Chano dominguez" or "chick corea" on "armando's rumba". Piano replace the nylon guitar. Cheers

27th March 2006, 09:37 PM	#8
Wakena2003 Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Spain Posts: 147	hear some samples in amazon of this Chano Dominguez record: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music cheers

27th March 2006, 09:58 PM	#9
Cornvalley Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Woodland Hiils, CA Posts: 343	Listening now.....I think it's actually illustrating my points. It's a nice melding of flavors, but it's flamenco attributes are spotty and not of the variety considered authentic to my ears, Anglo that I am. I like it though.

27th March 2006, 10:05 PM	#11
Beauarts Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 343	I hope you have some kind of absoption behind your walls. The red wall looks like fabric. Otherwise you'll be in trouble. Is that tile on your floor?

27th March 2006, 10:11 PM	#12
Cornvalley Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Woodland Hiils, CA Posts: 343	Just depends where you're coming from or where you've been. Not an argument worth anything. The 'feeling' of flamenco is in the guitar and voice, the pounding of feet and hands clapping, not to mention the asthetic of the dancer's bravado. Doesn't get any better than that.