Originally Posted by dnbarg
Yes, we'll need to disagree on stature... I have no doubt you are correct in the formal sense of "the greats". I couldn't even remember how to spell Kreisler correctly. I do have great respect for those players who have dedicated their lives and honed their skills.
However, a modified Suzuki Method is still very popular in our city, and Suzuki trained musicians are in our symphony. The stature I'd like to refer to is all the great Suzuki musicians I have heard who can play the classics strongly, and then play in all sorts of other genres with equal ease. They have dedicated thousands of hours to their training, and will enjoy a lifetime of making music.
So, here again is the problem. While I have classical training, I've made it my mission to make sense of the shifting paradigms in valuing greatness. I'm pretty confident I understand where you're coming from. You needn't exclaim more loudly with more belittling tone. That just makes you seem more frightened of the changes. And I mean that with no disrespect. I have no doubt you are 100 times the scholar/engineer I will ever be. I'm just trying to make sense of what's happening out there, and how we can have conversations with those that don't share our convictions.
Thanks for continuing to engage the conversation.
Sorry for exclamations--that what usually happens when I write at 3 in the morning.
We are talking completely different things, so that we are on the same page:
Is the Suzuki school popular?--Absolutely.
Does it help millions people to enjoy music, learn to play instruments, cultivate love for classical music?--Absolutely!
Is Suzuki's method main accent on listening to music, play from the hearing?--Yes, absolutely.
Does Suzuki method puts an emphasis on craft, technique, etc. (i.e. professional aspects of music performance)?--No, it is not.
Is Suzuki school is one of the greatest innovations, which throughout 60 years helped thousands of people become professional musicians?--No, absolutely not. That was my exact point.
It is the same as:
Is Bose popular?--Yes.
Does Bose help millions of people enjoy music?--Yes--absolutely.
Is it a professional level equipment people would want to master their mixes?--I guess everyone decides.
Hope it is more clear now.
Originally Posted by rhizomeman
Marik, well, I would be careful using the words "fact" and "great" so close together due to their contingency on historical and cultural resonance. Sorry, I don't have time to address your questions specifically except to say if you cannot hear Mozart in every early Beethoven piece I'm not sure what else to say - listen more closely
What a cute way of implying and suggesting that you know something special that I don't, but what exactly is that 'something special' I have to find out myself, because you don't have time to reduce yourself for explanation...
Not sure if you read what I was writing, or saw what was actually written, but I am used to talk about music (esp. about somebody like Bach or Beethoven) from its historical perspective and context, and in much broader aspects than mere "listen more closely", so please don't drag me on that level--all that kind of listening I've done long ago.
Besides, to start with, the idea itself if one can or cannot hear Mozart in EVERY (your word) early Beethoven piece (which is an absurd by itself) is completely irrelevant for the reasons I outlined above (among many others).
Somehow I paid attention that's usually the composers who tend to put Beethoven down without giving some more or less compelling reasons.