Behringer X32

[hatzaudio]

so when is this console supposed to come out,,local sam ash is all about it ,,Q; do you have one?,, A; uh, we can take a deposit on one ,but NO WE DONT GOT ONE!

[jeronimo]

No idea... I hope it will come out someday

[ShadowAMD]

Behringer X32, - Online Music Store | Sounds Live

You can buy them now in the UK I urm think, what I'm worried about is that they seem to be a little un-descriptive about several parts of this! What about the Firewire expansion board what is the A/D like, are the pre-amps any good? Seems to be a bit too much mystery at the moment.

I want to be able to mix on this thing, so if it's a 16X2 I would seriously not be impressed.

Seems you "Might" be able to buy one, but you can't get the FW / USB expansion from it anywhere.. Which is always useful :D

[ShadowAMD]

Just asked the question about the firewire / USB. Hopefully it will come back soon Damn the thought of this thing being as good as a Mackie Onyx / Presonus / Zed-R16 with all the extra features makes me go a little crazy HEHEHEHEHEHAHAHAH!

[Chris Martins]

There was a claim made about the X32 using a midas pre, about which I asked for clarification, which was not provided.

Says nothing about Midas pre's

Powered by MIDAS & KLARK TEKNIK
When we began development on the X32, we called on our sister companies, MIDAS and KLARK TEKNIK, recognized the world over for their digital consoles and EQ/FX processing, for implementation support. The programmable, high-grade mic preamps found in the X32 are based on a genuine MIDAS design, all the way down to their A/D converters. The resulting design ensures superior common mode rejection (CMRR) and extremely low harmonic distortion (THD). The X32 is an amazingly clean amalgam of high technology merged with superb user-friendly features.

Straight from the horse's mouth. It's "based on a Midas preamp", not a Midas preamp per se, but I guess it's close enough to make mostly everyone pretty happy . And that's pretty much what I was saying last year already...

[PDC]

Originally Posted by Chris Martins

Straight from the horse's mouth. It's "based on a Midas preamp", not a Midas preamp per se, but I guess it's close enough to make mostly everyone pretty happy . And that's pretty much what I was saying last year already...

They were already copying Midas console designs, but the X32 will remain consistent for Behringer. They cannot use the same exact design as the real Midas digital systems, the same parts, etc. It is all dumbed down for a price point. So, saying that they have a Midas design means nothing to me. The proof is in the parts, the quality of the assembly, and the product longevity.

Behringer does not have a good track record.

[Chris Martins]

You do realize that they own Midas ? So they can do whatever the f**k they want with the designs, and they clearly state in the info that they used the design to a "T", including the converters used by Midas, and state that they are using high quality components.

The past does not equal the future, and a track record is a thing of the past. Maybe the future is not cheap parts and shabby reliability for Behringer.

I'll judge this thing on its own merits.

[PDC]

Originally Posted by Chris Martins

You do realise that they own Midas, so they can do whatever the f**k they want with the designs, and they clearly state in the info that they used the design to a "T", including the converters used by Midas.

The past does not equal the future, and a track record is a thing of the past. Maybe the future is not cheap parts and shabby reliability for Behringer.

I'll judge this thing on its own merits.

I don't know what you have read, but we were told by Behringer themselves that they did NOT use exact circuits and components completely. They did not copy a complete Midas console. We all know that MOTU 192s had the same chips as Digi 192s, yet they couldn't have been more different. There is a bit more to it. As far as the preamps go, they have never specified WHICH preamp circuit inspired the X32 pre.

We have been getting reports all along, and Midas has maintained that they did lend technology. Just looking at this thing, you can tell that it is not formatted like a Midas, does not function like a Midas, and does not have the redundancy and resources of a Midas. So, all of these semantics are meaningless to me.

As for Behringer changing their ways...no, they are not. There is no new support network for the end users or the dealers. There are no reps. Behringer is doing it all themselves, with no real increase in personnel. Until you have been on the wrong side of a customer and needing help from Behringer, you have no idea what the experience is like. Behringer is clear that they are going to support the X32 the same fantastic way they have supported their line in the past. Well, that will put the final nail in this coffin, I can guarantee you that. This product is could potentially make them the laughing stock of the audio world, if they are not careful.

[Chris Martins]

I've never said the board was a Midas board. But you have your view, and it's based on your experience, so it's valuable. I have mine, which is also based on experience albeit a different one obviously, and I'll stand by it. Behringer is trying to clean up their act, and change how they are perceived, so I believe they'll make things evolve. It would be nice, wouldn't it ?

[PDC]

BTW, word from a horses mouth at Behringer is that the X32 is not a cheap version of the Midas digital consoles, and does not use the same audio architecture. The pre is not a "Midas XL4" pre, which would be the most desirable. The new budget analog consoles were not the same sound as an XL4, and all had different circuits. AES50 and it's support system came from Klark, which has no sonic implications on it's own.

[Fishmed]

Originally Posted by PDC

BTW, word from a horses mouth at Behringer is that the X32 is not a cheap version of the Midas digital consoles, and does not use the same audio architecture. The pre is not a "Midas XL4" pre, which would be the most desirable. The new budget analog consoles were not the same sound as an XL4, and all had different circuits. AES50 and it's support system came from Klark, which has no sonic implications on it's own.

If the mic pres are anything like the ones one the DDX3216, you might as well have a second budget for outboard pres.

[Chris Martins]

Alrighty. Tired of arguing and word play. Enjoy your day, gentlemen.

[Soundhunter]

Originally Posted by Chris Martins

Alrighty. Tired of arguing and word play. Enjoy your day, gentlemen.

The Board in not available in the UK, and why don't we all wait until the beast hits the streets...if ever!

Steve
Canbury Sound

[OzGizmo]

If Behringer doesn't release the X32 to the public soon it might be obsolete before it goes on sale.
I would just like a 24-32 channel version of this...
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[Chris Martins]

New X32 video

Clear statement about the preamps at 00:30.

Good day Gentlemen.

[Remoteness]

Thanks for sharing the link!

Originally Posted by Chris Martins

New X32 video

Clear statement about the preamps at 00:30.

Good day Gentlemen.

[Jim Williams]

When I see 40 input automated Harrisons selling for 500 bucks, the "b" word is not on my list...

[Remoteness]

True, but it's hard to carry a Harrison (console) Love Machine under your arm;-)

Originally Posted by Jim Williams

When I see 40 input automated Harrisons selling for 500 bucks, the "b" word is not on my list...

[jeronimo]

Originally Posted by Jim Williams

When I see 40 input automated Harrisons selling for 500 bucks, the "b" word is not on my list...

Jim, I'm curious where you found a Harrison console for 500 bucks...

[Rob23xyz]

"This product is currently not available for sale in the United States and Canada pending verification of compliance with applicable technical standards and regulations." (next to an FCC logo)

Hmmm.

[Jim Williams]

Originally Posted by jeronimo

Jim, I'm curious where you found a Harrison console for 500 bucks...

"As Yea Shall Seek, Yea Shall Find".

A local guy got a 40 input MR-4 for $500 with the automation. Then he found a 40 input Raven for $800.

I suspect they are better than Behringer?

[jeronimo]

Yeah... I have no idea where to look. Because places like craigslist and ebay are really expensive

[ghellquist]

Originally Posted by Chris Martins

Straight from the horse's mouth. It's "based on a Midas preamp", not a Midas preamp per se, but I guess it's close enough to make mostly everyone pretty happy . And that's pretty much what I was saying last year already...

Seen that kind of claims before, by all kinds of companies. Sadly enough, that is mostly marketing stuff. Design is one thing, actual results is what counts. I, and many more, hope for the Behringer stuff to go up in quality without going up in price. Let us see with this box when it finally arrives on our benches.

It could be said that all 4-wheel cars on the roads today are based on the same design, they all have an engine and a steering wheel and the gas pedal to the right.

[WarrenBeat]

I think Behringer should change their logo, the yellow triangle looks like an electrical hazard sign...

[PDC]

Put the ear in the middle of that hazard sign in you have it right. It's a hazard to your hearing.

[smoovemode]

Does anyone know of a 32 channel control surface you can get for 2500.00? If the control surface works good, I'm in! The looks will impress the majority of clients and if the audio side works good, so much the better. By the time this gets released, I'll probably already have my converters and preamps. I'm not buying someone's old, beat up control 24 and the C24s in good condition start at 5000.00 if you're really really lucky. I feel this is a great product for those who want to try at a recording career, but don't want to go broke doing it!

I Djed for 20 years and used Behringer products along with JBL, Crest, Crown...all the big names. I think I used the tube preamp and it never failed me. So I cannot talk smack about Behringer. There are obviously better desk than this (Audient, SLL Nucleus, etc).

But let's think this through. With the audient and the Nucleus give you 1/3rd the amount of features and you will probably still have to buy converters and what not anyways! All I want is something to take all the features of Logic or Pro tools and "make it hard(i.e. buttons, pots and switches)".

[PDC]

Originally Posted by smoovemode

Does anyone know of a 32 channel control surface you can get for 2500.00? If the control surface works good, I'm in! The looks will impress the majority of clients and if the audio side works good, so much the better. By the time this gets released, I'll probably already have my converters and preamps. I'm not buying someone's old, beat up control 24 and the C24s in good condition start at 5000.00 if you're really really lucky. I feel this is a great product for those who want to try at a recording career, but don't want to go broke doing it!

I Djed for 20 years and used Behringer products along with JBL, Crest, Crown...all the big names. I think I used the tube preamp and it never failed me. So I cannot talk smack about Behringer. There are obviously better desk than this (Audient, SLL Nucleus, etc).

But let's think this through. With the audient and the Nucleus give you 1/3rd the amount of features and you will probably still have to buy converters and what not anyways! All I want is something to take all the features of Logic or Pro tools and "make it hard(i.e. buttons, pots and switches)".

You are not comparing apples to oranges. The X32 is a live sound product first. There is a reason all of the other manufacturers are offering less features. If you think that the major DAW companies are going to snuggle up to Behringer, you have another thing coming. Having a mere control surface is one thing. Having one that is designed to be integrated into the experience, without a dated, limited, third party protocol, is another.

Yes, they redesigned and re-engineered it, and now they say it has Midas pres. Which one? Which parts? AES50....hopefully it works. It is still buggy and does not work reliably on Midas consoles.

[smoovemode]

Originally Posted by PDC

You are not comparing apples to oranges. The X32 is a live sound product first. There is a reason all of the other manufacturers are offering less features. If you think that the major DAW companies are going to snuggle up to Behringer, you have another thing coming. Having a mere control surface is one thing. Having one that is designed to be integrated into the experience, without a dated, limited, third party protocol, is another.

What does this control surface not do that the others do? What am I missing here? I'm not being critical, I really wanna know.

[PDC]

Originally Posted by smoovemode

What does this control surface not do that the others do? What am I missing here? I'm not being critical, I really wanna know.

This is not a control surface. This a replacement for an analog live console, that also does stereo recording (sometime in the future) to a USB stick. It would be a stab at the Yamaha LS9, Allen & Heath GLD and Presonus Studio Live.

I have not heard, and the documentation does not say, that it has the capability now to be a controller, supported by any particular DAW. There is MIDI, but that does not mean anything....yet.

The other products mentioned in previous posts from Audient, SSL, etc are DAW controllers, or small mixers with integrated control. Two totally different things.

[ozzystone]

Originally Posted by JEGG

The problem with similar gear is that the day after the warranty expires, it may cost more to repair than it did to purchase.

I haven't been keeping up with Behringer-I agree, the Logo needs help!

so what its 2500 after a year its well paid off