Old 20th November 2012
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Hi i wonder can anyone help me i am having problems with my X32. The mic pre amp gain control makes like a zipper or stutter noise when adjusting it with audio coming through. It kind of splits up the signal when rotating the gain.
Old 20th November 2012
  #542
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X32 Presets

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Originally Posted by jgrannell View Post
One of the main reasons I can not recommend this board to my church is that there are no presets. The sound men in my church really do not understand how to eq and compress things, and although I realize that I could attempt it and save a setting for them ie. vocal or kick or high tom or low tom, etc... the one thing that the presonus board definitely has over this board is factory presets already in the board that are easy to load and that sound pretty darn good. I think this would be an incredible asset to have already in this x32 board when you buy it. Even for someone like myself who has a decent grasp on how to do this, these presets would get me close and then I could do some small tweaks afterwards. A great time saver! Please add this for all common things (see presonus presets for example) not trying to say presonus is better, just pointing out something that would eliminate one of the pros for the presonus over this x32. You could even offer this as a dowload online onto a USB card and transfer it that way!!!!!!
Hi,

Great to hear your feedback on the X32.
I think we will have a preset library available in the future. I will bring this up to our development team and see what can be done.

Once again thank you for your feedback we value your opinion.

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Old 22nd November 2012
  #543
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Well thank you for hearing my suggestion. It was just something that I really enjoy on my pre-Sonus board and while looking at the Behringer x32 options and all that it has already I felt that it would be a huge addition to that board if that could be done. Even for people like me, who had a little bit of understanding of an equalizer and compressor, could benefit greatly from some presets that would already be in the board. It's just a million times faster to be able to select a channel and load and already existing voice that is been loaded in the board. You can always fine-tune things from there but if it gets you close it's just a huge timesaver. I am not really close to buying this board, however probably sometime later this next year I will be purchasing it. Thanks again, it's good to know that a company takes its customers suggestions seriously.
Old 3rd December 2012
  #544
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X32 Webinars 12/2012

Hi Guys,
We have a few Webinars coming up:

X32 Live! Webinar/User Group - X32 & ProTools In-Depth

Join us for a Webinar on December 7

Space is limited.
Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/277188759

Please join us for our X32 Live! Webinar/User Group #13
The first hour of the webinar will focus setting up and configuring the X32 to use with ProTools. We will focus on getting audio in and out of PT, Control Surface functions using HUI with the X32, as well as other tips and tricks. We will also discuss how the X32 operates in the studio, identifying scenarios and situations unique to the studio world.
The second hour will be open for questions and live demos!

Title: X32 Live! Webinar/User Group - X32 & ProTools In-Depth
Date: Friday, December 7, 2012
Time: 4:00 PM - 6:00 PM PST


X32 Live! Webinar/User Group - X32 & S16 Stagebox

Join us for a Webinar on December 13

Space is limited.
Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
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Please join us for our X32 Live! Webinar/User Group #14!
This Webinar will focus on expanding on our new Pro Audio family of products including the S16 Stagebox. We will go over setting up the S16, various configurations, and a variety of real-world scenarios in which you would use the Stagebox. We will also go over connecting the S16 with the X32 via Cat-5 cabling, and touch upon other products that could be used in conjunction with the X32 and the S16.
The second hour will be open for questions and live demos!

Title: X32 Live! Webinar/User Group - X32 & S16 Stagebox
Date: Thursday, December 13, 2012
Time: 1:00 PM - 3:00 PM PST

I hope you can make it!

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Old 5th December 2012
  #545
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Question to the X32 users that have/use RME gear and run Windows (ASIO).

I'm interested in getting a X32 for my studio. Having 32 analog Ins and 16 analog outs is pretty much unbeatable. Best if I can even record them at the same time, so it's a win-win situation.

I do hope that there will be an upgrade at some point to get access to 96kHz, but I'm fine with 48kHz as well. And I like the idea of having a hybrid (analog/digital) console that also works as host controller (else I'm using BCF/BCR's).


The question is however:
Someone connected that console through Firewire or USB with a Win PC and ran it at the same time with an RME device? Or did someone actually hook up the console to an RME AES/EBU board (if there is one existing with AES-50, IIRC, old AES/EBU can only utilize up to 8 I/Os) while using the USB port as host controller only?


I'd love to get more info beforehand in terms of integration.
Old 7th December 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert871 View Post
Hi i wonder can anyone help me i am having problems with my X32. The mic pre amp gain control makes like a zipper or stutter noise when adjusting it with audio coming through. It kind of splits up the signal when rotating the gain.
Does the X32 do this?
(Some yamaha desks do this too, I guess if you built digitally controlled preamps to a certain price you get this phenomenon?)
Old 7th December 2012
  #547
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X32 Preamp info

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Originally Posted by huub View Post
Does the X32 do this?
(Some yamaha desks do this too, I guess if you built digitally controlled preamps to a certain price you get this phenomenon?)
Hi Guys,

All digital consoles, (no matter the price point), with recallable mic pre amps, have to deal with this when it comes to digitally-controlled analog gain. The benefit of total recall, including the pre-amp stage, far out weighs this as it is rare to be "sweeping" the preamp knob.

I spoke to our design team and have posted a very detailed description of what you are describing.

From our design team:
Some X32 users have detected and reported a slight clicking noise when adjusting the analog preamp gain under certain conditions. The issue is sometimes reported as “zipper noise” and is more noticeable with low frequency signals such as a bass. This article explains the phenomenon and describes how to avoid it.

The X32 uses a digitally controlled precision A/D-Gain stage at the front end of every mic preamp to condition the signal . Just as on a standard analog mixer, the purpose of this A/D-Gain is to attenuate strong or amplify weak signals and thereby provide an optimal match to the preamp. Proper gain staging at this point results in enhanced signal to noise performance and prevents saturation or overdrive of the preamp or subsequent A/D converter. The analog A/D-Gain provides 2 dB of attenuation and 45.5 dB of gain in 2.5 dB steps.

This is further augmented by a digital trim that interpolates and expands the range to -12…+60 dB in steps of 0.5 dB each, for a total of 72 dB across 145 steps. The two attenuators work together to render a smooth and quiet range of gain that has the added benefit of being fully recallable. This is what the Gain control does whenever an analog preamp (of X32 or S16) is patched to an input channel. Compare this to preamps like e.g. the Neve Portico 5015, which has a Gain control with discrete 6 dB steps and 60 dB Range, plus a continuous Trim of +/-6 dB.

In cases where the preamp signal is sent to an outboard soundcard and returned from the DAW the connection between the mic preamp and the attenuator is obviously broken. In such cases the combined Gain is replaced with a purely digital Trim of +/-12 dB, in steps of 0.5 dB. As there is no analog switching involved this will never cause any noise.

As of firmware 1.10 an additional Setup page for Preamps gives back access to the head amps when they are not routed to any of the X32 input channels. Obviously, there is no interpolation and expansion of the gain range and only the 2.5 dB analog steps are in effect. Adjustment of the A/D-Gain under such circumstances may render an audible click, especially at low frequencies.

All digital attenuation in the console has been designed to be completely free of zipper noise and digital gain changes are completely inaudible. While adjustment of the analog input A/D-Gain is also inaudible through the interpolated range, there is a chance that a click can be heard when crossing the 2.5 dB steps. Of course, a rapid change in gain could be interpreted as zipper noise provided that a constant low frequency input signal is present.

This input attenuation scheme is pretty standard for digital consoles, regardless of cost. The digitally controlled analog attenuator is a necessity in the absence of a trimmer potentiometer found on an analog console. This is what makes the mic preamps fully programmable and adds a whole range of functionality to the X32.

I hope it helps!

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Old 8th December 2012
  #548
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Welll, I have never heard zipper noise in any digital console apart from yamahas..
And I have used a lot of digital consoles, daily.
If someone starts talking and talks very softly, you have to reach for the gain knob and you might have to add 15 or 20 dB at once, or more.
But your explanation is very clear and it seems like an acceptable thing, especially for the price.
Old 8th December 2012
  #549
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@Joe Sanborn:

Can the question maybe be answered how to integrate the X32 into an existing RME ADC/DAC Setup? Maybe with a MADI Add-On card or something?

I'd love to use the X32 as additional input/output to the ADC/DAC's I have in my posession already. Maybe even controlling my DAW (currently Cubase) with it through USB.


The thing is - I am on Windows. That OS is picky in terms of ASIO drivers, Cubase can only access one at the same time as well. Hence the quesiton how to integrate it with RME hardware without installing buggy drivers like ASIO4all or similar stuff like that.

The main purpose in my studio will still be recording. Maybe rerouting, FX usage (the X32 has built in ones) and reamping as well. But if I can use the console as additional ADC with more inputs, why not?


Oh and... as cross-link to this thread. Any news on the ADA-8200?

I would go through Behringer Support, but they barely answer to questions. Especially technical ones. I had some really bad experience on that behalf so far.

Thanks.
Old 11th December 2012
  #550
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X32 Questions

Dear Mister Fox,

I answered your questions below. Please provide the additional information and I can help you further.

Question: Can the question maybe be answered how to integrate the X32 into an existing RME ADC/DAC Setup? Maybe with a MADI Add-On card or something?
I'd love to use the X32 as additional input/output to the ADC/DAC's I have in my posession already. Maybe even controlling my DAW (currently Cubase) with it through USB.


Can you refer me to the RME unit you are looking to interface the X32 with and I will try to advice you on this?

Question: Oh and... as cross-link to this thread. Any news on the ADA-8200?

The ADA-8200 will be shown at the PLS show and is anticipated to ship in 2013.[/COLOR]

Question: I would go through Behringer Support, but they barely answer to questions. Especially technical ones. I had some really bad experience on that behalf so far.

As you are located in Germany, if you PM me your contact info I will put Mario van Helden our Product Specialist in Germany in touch with you.

You may want to check out our library of Webinar and X32 videos at:
X32 Resources - YouTube

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Old 11th December 2012
  #551
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Thanks for answering my questions, Joe. I'll definitely get in touch with Mario Van Helden regarding further support.


I was thinking of actually getting an additional HDSPe AES or HDSPe MADI in order to integarte the X32 with my existing RME setup (a HDSPe with a Digiface). The X32 doesn't have any ADAT slots, but AES-50.

I'm a bit behind on AES standards and don't know if the RME AES/MADI cards can actually integrate the X32 with the AES-50 standard. And if so, will there be adapters available?

I'd even be happy to just use 16 I/O, that's more than plenty for the time being, the rest can be done through routing or "summing".


I'd also love to know if there will be an updated X32 board with 96kHz support at some day. Though I'm currently fine with 48/24. Unless there are already schemes built in where we can use 96kHz at reduced channels (instead of 32in only 16in).


Again, thanks for answering. I'll get in touch with Mario regardless. But I think the rest is just as interesting to the readers as well.
Old 29th December 2012
  #552
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Old 4th January 2013
  #553
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Hi

I was wondering, if anyone at Behringer is listening here, whether there are any plans to enhance the X32 firmware so that all the faders can also be used for DAW control, rather than just the 8 faders currently available.

I am the author of a control surface plugin for the Behringer BCR2000 for which I released the full source some time ago, and quite a lot of people have adapted this and built setups with multiple BCR and BCF units as DAW controllers. Prior to this software, there was no really easy way of setting up a BCR2000 in full-duplex mode and the only way to get the BCF working was to use Mackie emulation.

Writing this was straightforward because these units obviously just send and receive MIDI messages to set their encoders and knobs. So all the X32 would need to do is send and receive MIDI messages to do the same and accept some SysEx messages to set the scribble strips.

Personally, I would buy an X32 tomorrow if all the faders could be used for DAW control, and the scribble strips updated from the DAW, even if that meant writing the control software myself. In my opinion, the market for this unit would be substantially increased since, for the price, there's nothing remotely comparable in terms of the hardware controls alone. There are one heck of a lot of home studio owners who would happily purchase one of these. Right now its not so attractive for that purpose because of the 8 fader limitation.
Any way we can get a reply to this question? I'm extremely interested, because like the OP, if all the faders can be DAW faders I will buy one tomorrow.
Old 10th January 2013
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Originally Posted by ajay_m View Post
Hi

I was wondering, if anyone at Behringer is listening here, whether there are any plans to enhance the X32 firmware so that all the faders can also be used for DAW control, rather than just the 8 faders currently available.
...
Personally, I would buy an X32 tomorrow if all the faders could be used for DAW control, and the scribble strips updated from the DAW, ...
In my opinion, the market for this unit would be substantially increased since, for the price, there's nothing remotely comparable in terms of the hardware controls alone. There are one heck of a lot of home studio owners who would happily purchase one of these. Right now its not so attractive for that purpose because of the 8 fader limitation.

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Old 15th January 2013
  #555
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Yo folks... sorry for my ignorance. But I looked for ages and couldn't find the answer...

Where does the desk record from with the firewire/usb card? Is it just a dry signal affer the preamp? Or can you record the compressors and eq with the take you're recording? So I could give a singers monitor mix a bit of delay and reverb or whatever they wanted, but just record a nice clean take with a touch of eq and compression.

Cheers.
Dan.
Old 19th January 2013
  #556
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is this a good solution for home recording only? Audio quality??
Old 20th January 2013
  #557
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is this a good solution for home recording only? Audio quality??
Read this whole thread and ask again.
Old 21st January 2013
  #558
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Originally Posted by Temple of Light View Post
Read this whole thread and ask again.
thanx for the Great feedback
Old 21st January 2013
  #559
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Any word on any kinda of ETA on a 32 channel out ADAT expansion card for the X32?

Or an AES50 to ADAT box.
Old 22nd January 2013
  #560
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thanx for the Great feedback
No Problem. Just thought you might like to see how much marketing budget went into this before you try/buy. Anything with this much marketing behind it is usually suspect, great products sell themselves.
Old 22nd January 2013
  #561
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I am not into lower-end of gear, especially bearing the Behringer 'name', but I purchased this as something to play around with. I cannot believe the quality and usefulness of this board. Totally blew me away actually.
Old 24th January 2013
  #562
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I bought the X32 and 2xS16 and I really like the system so far. I did mix some shows on it and I will be taking it on an European tour in April playing 20-25 club concerts.
I wrote to Behringer about 2 major things I really do miss compared to other digital consoles like the LS9-32, the iLive, The Midas Pro1 or Roland m480: There are no channels 33-64 (perfect for use as a MON split of all input channels when mixing MON from FOH, especially on budget consoles like those) and maybe even more important no custom layer(s)! I really would love to give my X32 a try on the road, because the concept of this console is great: things like Firewire/USB, 32ch multitrack/virtual soundcheck, USB rec w/ wave format, standalone or digital remote preamps, sending one selected channel to all Auxes/Mixes simultaneous (love this feature for quick multi-monitor mixes!) m.m. but the lack of a custom layer could be a reason for me to choose another console. You need to think in advance, how to place the channels (and do lots of soft patch) instead of following your channel list and then use a custom layer and find a quick perfect ch set up. Like I wrote to Behringer before, this could be done by programming the 4th layer called Bus Master to be used for a custom layer as well. I can´t imagine that it will take hard on the DSP power. I never even use the Bus Master layer, because they are also placed in the Master section. So please Uli, Joe and everybody at Behringer, please give us Live Sound Engineers a custom layer (and ch 33-64) and we´ll take the console everywhere. Thank you!
Kind regards,
Christian
Old 24th January 2013
  #563
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Originally Posted by Klangfarbe View Post
I bought the X32 and 2xS16 and I really like the but the lack of a custom layer could be a reason for me to choose another console.
Christian
Such as? In this price range... good luck!
Old 26th January 2013
  #564
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Originally Posted by jgrannell View Post
One of the main reasons I can not recommend this board to my church is that there are no presets. The sound men in my church really do not understand how to eq and compress things, and although I realize that I could attempt it and save a setting for them ie. vocal or kick or high tom or low tom, etc... the one thing that the presonus board definitely has over this board is factory presets already in the board that are easy to load and that sound pretty darn good. I think this would be an incredible asset to have already in this x32 board when you buy it. Even for someone like myself who has a decent grasp on how to do this, these presets would get me close and then I could do some small tweaks afterwards. A great time saver! Please add this for all common things (see presonus presets for example) not trying to say presonus is better, just pointing out something that would eliminate one of the pros for the presonus over this x32. You could even offer this as a dowload online onto a USB card and transfer it that way!!!!!!


Translation: "I'll only buy a console that will do my job for me."

How dare the engineers at Behringer actually expect the people who buy the X32 to know how to mix sound! Outrageous!!! Hahahahahaha....

I'll bet you own a player piano, huh?
Old 26th January 2013
  #565
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Such as? In this price range... good luck!

He could buy a LS9-32. But that'll run him around 7 grand at the least. I got mine for a steal, and it was $6500. Plus, I still say my X32 sounds better than my LS9. Oh, and it has *NO* DAW control...
Old 26th January 2013
  #566
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Hi Joe,
Say, do you know if plans are in the works to add any dual mono effects units to future firmwares? I've noticed a few users asking about this lately on some other board. Personally I'd love this too. As it sits now, the only dual units are setup to only run in series. It'd be great to run, for example, the "delay & chamber" unit as two independant mono units. Anyway, just wondering if you'd heard any talk on this?
Thanks,
Mark
Old 26th January 2013
  #567
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Originally Posted by arttd View Post
Translation: "I'll only buy a console that will do my job for me."

How dare the engineers at Behringer actually expect the people who buy the X32 to know how to mix sound! Outrageous!!! Hahahahahaha....

I'll bet you own a player piano, huh?
And the people at your church are not "sound men" they are volunteers attempting to babysit the console. Take that arrangement to ANY other professional situation and see how that flies! Can't expect free quality.
Old 28th January 2013
  #568
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I just wanted to share a sample of our drum setup through the X32 preamps. A quick one minute mix, and very little amount of compression/eq through the board only. No outboard pre's, eq's, compressors or ambiance were used in this recording. I noticed 2 clips, but that was my own stupid fault.

http://www.realenvironmentxtreme.com/x32drums.wav
Old 5th February 2013
  #569
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Looks like some new form factors are on the way. The 3U and 1U racks look very interesting, and having a standard rackmount option is big as well. Only thing missing is pricing and availability right now.

Behringer: X32 Family Page
Old 8th February 2013
  #570
My church bought an X32 and an S16, and so far we love it. I know there are a lot of professionals out there that are snubbing this thing and considering Behringers past I can't really blame them. but I wonder what the actual X32 customers are experiencing.

If you own an X32, how is yours holding up? What is working for you? What isn't working for you?
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