Any ECM slutz in this house? - Page 2

Greg Heimbecker · 19th January 2006, 03:39 PM

I am eternally grateful to Mr Eicher for the body of work he has brought to us all. I've been fortunate to work with a number of his artists and have been privy to impressions and/or stories of his "eccentricities"...

Having not been there myself I wouldn't take it any further.

doorknocker · 20th January 2006, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Heimbecker

I am eternally grateful to Mr Eicher for the body of work he has brought to us all. I've been fortunate to work with a number of his artists and have been privy to impressions and/or stories of his "eccentricities"...

Having not been there myself I wouldn't take it any further.

Well, we all re-tell and speculate upon the character and methods of famous producers/sessions , be it RVG, the Beatles, Phil Spector or so many others. I guess precious few of us were actually there in the room with these guys!

I'm not interested in any 'scandals'- I joked before- but rather in the ' the methods' of Mr. Eicher. Given the often-great results, he must be doing something right.

I'd also say that ECM's 'street credibility' could only gain with a few 'real-life' episodes!

So come on then...

zarembo · 23rd January 2006, 06:08 AM

hey I haven't checked this thread in a while but, while having a moment here and there to enjoy a little music, ECM is still hot on my ears and soul!

Anhour Brahem is amazing--the record with Dave Holland and John Surman!

oh boy.

that's good news for sure which is why I put this here.

this music is vital.

the techniques for capturing it are also.

I am surprised how much reverb is used on a lot of the productions.

makes me wish I had an EMT 140 or a big ass room.

sigh.

look forward to cracking into the 'new series' recordings soon and particularly Arvo Part.

but right now on the platter is another GEM!

Julian Priester and Marine Intrusion

'POLARIZATION'

yep yep

'77 recorded by Martin Wieland

yep

Fidelis · 23rd January 2006, 02:26 PM

Ok , people, let's do it!

We should have an acoustic/orchestral/jazz forum here. Maybe we could start as a topic on the "so much gear..." page, 'cause people read that more often than they do here.

What do you think? Ideas?

Come on, let's do it! I bet a lot of amazing things can be discussed here.

Trp · 13th March 2006, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zarembo

...
Tonstudio Bauer in Ludwigsburg

seem to be where most of my collection was recorded.....maybe there's more info to be had about these facilities.....the gear...the gear....the room, and of course, the gear.

I have worked at Bauer Studios a couple of times. Great place! Very good sounding room with 7m high ceiling, very beautiful sounding Steinway D, great mic collection (8 U67s I think, plus U47, tons of SD etc), Neve VXS console, 960L, TC 6000 etc.

www.bauerstudios.de

Also great for mastering. Johannes Wohlleben - one of the engineers there - got great ears and taste

cgarges · 14th March 2006, 03:14 AM

For anyone who can still catch it, Paul Motian was on "Fresh Air" (with Terry Gross) today.

Chris Garges
Charlotte, NC

alfonso · 22nd March 2006, 12:45 AM

A lot of ECM stuff....in the vinyl era that was a sound! I've had a lot of stuff, but just to remember something different...Jon Hassel's "Power Spot.

PlugHead · 22nd March 2006, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfonso

A lot of ECM stuff....in the vinyl era that was a sound! I've had a lot of stuff, but just to remember something different...Jon Hassel's "Power Spot.

Wow - blast from the past - bring me back to my late teenage/university years tripping on that album...

Heard very little from Hassel in the past few years - a bit with Bluescreen, and some soundtrack/movie stuff, one of which I dug - "Owning Mahoney" - not much else - then again - I haven't had my ear to the ground much lately...

alfonso · 22nd March 2006, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlugHead

Wow - blast from the past - bring me back to my late teenage/university years tripping on that album...

Heard very little from Hassel in the past few years - a bit with Bluescreen, and some soundtrack/movie stuff, one of which I dug - "Owning Mahoney" - not much else - then again - I haven't had my ear to the ground much lately...

He has recorded another masterpiece called "Fascinoma" with acoustic trumpet sound with a very particular production: live with some others (also Ry Cooder) in a church, without any processing on the sound, except for the natural reverberation and and an image made exclusively by musician and microphone placement.

All this has been recorded directly on stereo on a modified multitrack tape recorder (can't remember wich) with custom made heads to use all the tape for just 2 tracks.

Incredible atmosphere, obviously...

garbarek · 25th March 2006, 04:44 AM

Fascinoma is one of the most amazing sounding recordings I've EVER heard. Production is out of this world.

And the music is just.......my jaw dropped when I heard it the first time.

Don't walk...RUN out and buy this disc.

PlugHead · 25th March 2006, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfonso

He has recorded another masterpiece called "Fascinoma" with acoustic trumpet sound with a very particular production: live with some others (also Ry Cooder) in a church, without any processing on the sound, except for the natural reverberation and and an image made exclusively by musician and microphone placement.

All this has been recorded directly on stereo on a modified multitrack tape recorder (can't remember wich) with custom made heads to use all the tape for just 2 tracks.

Incredible atmosphere, obviously...

OK den - thx for the headsup! Ordering now...

Greg Heimbecker · 25th March 2006, 05:06 AM

My favorite Hassell is probably Fourth World Vol.1 Possible Musics with Brian Eno. Great atmospheric stuff... It's an old Editions EG disc (EEGCD 7) from 1980, lovely...
With some great Percy Jones bass bits, Nana Vasconcelos and Ayibe Dieng laying out the fleshy grooves, tasty~!

All the stuff on water lily acoustics is interesting. Same minimalist ethos and rig with a steadfast devotion to coincident and near coincident techniques. An interesting alternative style minimalist approach is represented by Todd Garfinkle's M-A recordings. He tends to favor spaced DPAs, interesting contrast between the two. I quite like his recording of Mark Nauseef's "With Space in Mind", quite nice.

littledoodler · 10th April 2006, 12:04 AM

keith jarrett Koln concert, Anouar Brahem Le pas du chat noir and everything else by him

Sam Lord · 12th April 2006, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plush

I'm definitely into the ECM "New Series" classical work.
I especially like the Arvo Part recordings done by the Heidelberg tonmeister, Teije van Geest. He did about 5 of them and each is very good.

However, Manfred Eicher, the producer, has to have his hands slapped as he reaches to adjust the faders on the recording console.

Let van Geest, a master, do that work!

Yes! Miserere! And Hilliard Ensemble's performance of Gesualdo's Tenebrae--magnificent. Clean, clear. Several others too.
Another win for the Plushmeister.

PlugHead · 13th April 2006, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Heimbecker

My favorite Hassell is probably Fourth World Vol.1 Possible Musics with Brian Eno. Great atmospheric stuff... It's an old Editions EG disc (EEGCD 7) from 1980, lovely...
With some great Percy Jones bass bits, Nana Vasconcelos and Ayibe Dieng laying out the fleshy grooves, tasty~!

All the stuff on water lily acoustics is interesting. Same minimalist ethos and rig with a steadfast devotion to coincident and near coincident techniques. An interesting alternative style minimalist approach is represented by Todd Garfinkle's M-A recordings. He tends to favor spaced DPAs, interesting contrast between the two. I quite like his recording of Mark Nauseef's "With Space in Mind", quite nice.

Just been listening to this, and the other Fourth World vol. 2 "dream theory in Malaya" recorded here in Hamilton by Lanois at Grant Ave. in '81. I grew up listening to these both - brings me back!

BTW - "Fascinoma" sounds luscious! Liner notes say it's all Tim de Paravicini (EAR) kit recorded with Pearl (rectangular) capsules fabricated in custom mics. Direct to 1/2 " 2 track on BASF 900 Maxima. A/D conversion to mastering thru custom EAR tube A/D as well.

Yowza! I can understand why this recording sounds so good - thanks to Alfonso for recommending this one - one of the first really great 'sounding' CD's I've heard in awhile!

RobR · 23rd April 2006, 10:32 PM

About this thread. -

kevk · 4th May 2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plush

I'm definitely into the ECM "New Series" classical work.
I especially like the Arvo Part recordings done by the Heidelberg tonmeister, Teije van Geest. He did about 5 of them and each is very good.

Totally agreed on the ECM New Series series.

Regards,
-kk

Bryan Talbot · 11th May 2006, 01:22 PM

a recent Terje Rypdal review

alfonso · 12th May 2006, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Talbot

a recent Terje Rypdal review

Very nice, thanks :)

chrisso · 13th May 2006, 09:26 AM

Another ECM fanatic - late to this thread. I'm a 'glass half empty' guy, so I rarely look at the 'Good News' forum.

About the gear. I remember someone who knew Kongshaug passed on some information to a drum forum I used to look at. He was apparently tickled the forum members were fans of his.

His take was that it was all 'ordinary' and 'standard' gear. I can't remember the details, but it was similar to the list mentioned earlier.
Certainly I lusted long and hard when the Helios from Talent was being hawked by a gear pimp about 4 years ago. Apart from the fact it was Helios (and awesome), but the history!

Everyone has different tastes. I happen to love Garbarek. I think he's one of my favourite musicians of any genre. I saw the Hilliard Ensemble with Garbarek at St Paul's Cathedral, London. I saw (and met) Ralph Towner a couple of years ago. Nice guy! I saw (and met) Eberhard Weber in 1979. Another nice guy, he struck me as one of the coolest of the ECM crowd to hang out with. Frissell was in his band at the time. Saw Azymuth in the early 80's. Kenny Wheeler is a favourite of mine. Love the first album with the synth ostinato's. You know they borrowed the Synthi AKS from Surman.
The other ensemble I love is the Scandinavian version of Jarrett's band.
Garbarek, Palle Dannielsen and Jon Christensen.
Never saw them unfortunately.
Christensen is probably my favourite jazz drummer. I hear he is weak and quite unwell these days - it could be a malicious rumour.
Finally, I also thank ECM for introducing me to new music.
I LOVE the Arvo Part albums. I try to love the Molvaer albums, but the bloody guitarist winds me up. I love everything about the trumpet and programming, but the 80's Belew guitar grates. ECM is better than that IMHO.
Anyway, Eicher should get a Grammy for services to music.

radiated · 13th May 2006, 10:44 AM

I like the classical ECM recordings a lot. I own most of their Arvo Pärt stuff, and everything that includes the Hilliard Ensemble, Christoph Poppen and Gidon Kremer is all really good stuff. I love the Bach cantata from the "Richercar"-CD. and also the "Morimur", which features great performances by Hilliard and Poppen.

zarembo · 14th May 2006, 09:53 PM

Hello ECM fans.

glad this thread is still skipping along.

The interview with Terje R. is pure gold.

thanks much!

Open Sky · 16th May 2006, 02:39 AM

Wow-so glad there are other ECM junkies out there! I remember looking through the used records all the time back in college. Anything that was on ECM would go home with me. Plus they were all between 99 cents and 3 bucks!

My fav of all -- Jack Dejohnette "New Directions" (esp. track 1)

I'm all for a jazz forum BTW!

zarembo · 20th May 2006, 06:26 PM

I must admit one of my favorite things in life now is to thumb through used records and find an ECM recording which LOOKS UNPLAYED for .50 or a buck.

yippee!!!!

can I get a holler for John Surman??!!!!!

jahtao · 22nd May 2006, 04:22 PM

David Darling's 'Cello'

aves · 5th June 2006, 09:56 PM

[quote=kevk]Agreed on Azimuth. John Taylor has to be the most under-rated pianist since... well... ever. He is also on three (I think only three) of the Peter Erskine trio ECM records; all highly recommended.

-kk[/QUOTE

i'll also think he is highly underrated, perhaps because he doesn't show of or he sell's himself to bad? don't know....
had the fortune to play some jamsessions as a double bass player with john taylor some years ago, and he was really one of the most inspiring musicians i've ever met.
really showed me how to make music every little moment you touch your instrument. even when you practise. he just shows you some examples, and he's into it every second and a simple scale sounds like a piece of music...and he's
very british, very very nice guy. have to think a lot of him, even though i don't play much jazz anymore.

we also played some tunes of "double double you" a kenny wheeler album which is one of my favorite ecm records, not soundwise but the playing and songwriting is amazing....

i also like the "keith jarret live in norway". one my favorite jarret album's.

best wishes,

aves

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aves · 5th June 2006, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trp

I have worked at Bauer Studios a couple of times. Great place! Very good sounding room with 7m high ceiling, very beautiful sounding Steinway D, great mic collection (8 U67s I think, plus U47, tons of SD etc), Neve VXS console, 960L, TC 6000 etc.

www.bauerstudios.de

Also great for mastering. Johannes Wohlleben - one of the engineers there - got great ears and taste

oh, i also really have to recommend Johannes Wohlleben. he recorded a very big band at bauer, in which i did some little electr. stuff and he was so quick, it was amazing.
drums, percussion, piano, strings, double bass, sax, trumpet,guitar, two strings, electronics, vocs. mostly everything in one room.
he set up in one hour and we recorded a whole album
in one day, and it really sounded fantastic. he also mixed and mastered the record.

can find it at
http://www.sebastianschunkemusic.com/

i think bauer is one of the best studios for jazz and acoustic music in germany.

aves

Silver Sonya · 6th June 2006, 04:58 AM

This thread warms my heart.
- Chad

mejon · 6th June 2006, 10:17 AM

POWER SPOT by Jon Hassell is one of my all time favorite albums. Both Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois lent a hand on that one.

Incredible!

There's a little commentary on my blog here:

http://www.jonmattox.com/blog/?p=94

I'm also a HUGE fan of Jan Garbarek, and also Arvo Pärt.

Also, the ECM albums of Steve Tibbets, Eberhard Weber, John Abercrombie are great, and didn't Meredith Monk release an album on the label too....

bye!

Jon

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23rd January 2006, 06:08 AM	#33
zarembo Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 633	hey I haven't checked this thread in a while but, while having a moment here and there to enjoy a little music, ECM is still hot on my ears and soul! Anhour Brahem is amazing--the record with Dave Holland and John Surman! oh boy. that's good news for sure which is why I put this here. this music is vital. the techniques for capturing it are also. I am surprised how much reverb is used on a lot of the productions. makes me wish I had an EMT 140 or a big ass room. sigh. look forward to cracking into the 'new series' recordings soon and particularly Arvo Part. but right now on the platter is another GEM! Julian Priester and Marine Intrusion 'POLARIZATION' yep yep '77 recorded by Martin Wieland yep __________________ hey tune into the doctor: http://lesterdiamondradio.com/

23rd January 2006, 02:26 PM	#34
Fidelis Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 167	Ok , people, let's do it! We should have an acoustic/orchestral/jazz forum here. Maybe we could start as a topic on the "so much gear..." page, 'cause people read that more often than they do here. What do you think? Ideas? Come on, let's do it! I bet a lot of amazing things can be discussed here. __________________ http://www.ricardomosca.com www.myspace.com/ricardomosca

14th May 2006, 09:53 PM	#52
zarembo Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 633	Hello ECM fans. glad this thread is still skipping along. The interview with Terje R. is pure gold. thanks much! __________________ hey tune into the doctor: http://lesterdiamondradio.com/

20th May 2006, 06:26 PM	#54
zarembo Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 633	I must admit one of my favorite things in life now is to thumb through used records and find an ECM recording which LOOKS UNPLAYED for .50 or a buck. yippee!!!! can I get a holler for John Surman??!!!!! __________________ hey tune into the doctor: http://lesterdiamondradio.com/

19th January 2006, 03:39 PM	#31
Greg Heimbecker Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: western edge of the big cornfield Posts: 304	I am eternally grateful to Mr Eicher for the body of work he has brought to us all. I've been fortunate to work with a number of his artists and have been privy to impressions and/or stories of his "eccentricities"... Having not been there myself I wouldn't take it any further.

14th March 2006, 03:14 AM	#36
cgarges Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 675	For anyone who can still catch it, Paul Motian was on "Fresh Air" (with Terry Gross) today. Chris Garges Charlotte, NC

22nd March 2006, 12:45 AM	#37
alfonso Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: italy,by the sea Posts: 166	A lot of ECM stuff....in the vinyl era that was a sound! I've had a lot of stuff, but just to remember something different...Jon Hassel's "Power Spot.

25th March 2006, 04:44 AM	#40
garbarek Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 74	Fascinoma is one of the most amazing sounding recordings I've EVER heard. Production is out of this world. And the music is just.......my jaw dropped when I heard it the first time. Don't walk...RUN out and buy this disc.

25th March 2006, 05:06 AM	#42
Greg Heimbecker Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: western edge of the big cornfield Posts: 304	My favorite Hassell is probably Fourth World Vol.1 Possible Musics with Brian Eno. Great atmospheric stuff... It's an old Editions EG disc (EEGCD 7) from 1980, lovely... With some great Percy Jones bass bits, Nana Vasconcelos and Ayibe Dieng laying out the fleshy grooves, tasty~! All the stuff on water lily acoustics is interesting. Same minimalist ethos and rig with a steadfast devotion to coincident and near coincident techniques. An interesting alternative style minimalist approach is represented by Todd Garfinkle's M-A recordings. He tends to favor spaced DPAs, interesting contrast between the two. I quite like his recording of Mark Nauseef's "With Space in Mind", quite nice.

10th April 2006, 12:04 AM	#43
littledoodler Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Beezers' Nook Posts: 682	keith jarrett Koln concert, Anouar Brahem Le pas du chat noir and everything else by him

23rd April 2006, 10:32 PM	#46
RobR Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 448	About this thread. -

11th May 2006, 01:22 PM	#48
Bryan Talbot Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: cloud nine Posts: 2,255	a recent Terje Rypdal review

13th May 2006, 09:26 AM	#50
chrisso Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oz Posts: 3,131	Another ECM fanatic - late to this thread. I'm a 'glass half empty' guy, so I rarely look at the 'Good News' forum. About the gear. I remember someone who knew Kongshaug passed on some information to a drum forum I used to look at. He was apparently tickled the forum members were fans of his. His take was that it was all 'ordinary' and 'standard' gear. I can't remember the details, but it was similar to the list mentioned earlier. Certainly I lusted long and hard when the Helios from Talent was being hawked by a gear pimp about 4 years ago. Apart from the fact it was Helios (and awesome), but the history! Everyone has different tastes. I happen to love Garbarek. I think he's one of my favourite musicians of any genre. I saw the Hilliard Ensemble with Garbarek at St Paul's Cathedral, London. I saw (and met) Ralph Towner a couple of years ago. Nice guy! I saw (and met) Eberhard Weber in 1979. Another nice guy, he struck me as one of the coolest of the ECM crowd to hang out with. Frissell was in his band at the time. Saw Azymuth in the early 80's. Kenny Wheeler is a favourite of mine. Love the first album with the synth ostinato's. You know they borrowed the Synthi AKS from Surman. The other ensemble I love is the Scandinavian version of Jarrett's band. Garbarek, Palle Dannielsen and Jon Christensen. Never saw them unfortunately. Christensen is probably my favourite jazz drummer. I hear he is weak and quite unwell these days - it could be a malicious rumour. Finally, I also thank ECM for introducing me to new music. I LOVE the Arvo Part albums. I try to love the Molvaer albums, but the bloody guitarist winds me up. I love everything about the trumpet and programming, but the 80's Belew guitar grates. ECM is better than that IMHO. Anyway, Eicher should get a Grammy for services to music.

13th May 2006, 10:44 AM	#51
radiated Gear Head Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 47	I like the classical ECM recordings a lot. I own most of their Arvo Pärt stuff, and everything that includes the Hilliard Ensemble, Christoph Poppen and Gidon Kremer is all really good stuff. I love the Bach cantata from the "Richercar"-CD. and also the "Morimur", which features great performances by Hilliard and Poppen.

16th May 2006, 02:39 AM	#53
Open Sky Gear nut Join Date: May 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 144	Wow-so glad there are other ECM junkies out there! I remember looking through the used records all the time back in college. Anything that was on ECM would go home with me. Plus they were all between 99 cents and 3 bucks! My fav of all -- Jack Dejohnette "New Directions" (esp. track 1) I'm all for a jazz forum BTW!

22nd May 2006, 04:22 PM	#55
jahtao Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 350	David Darling's 'Cello'

5th June 2006, 09:56 PM	#56
aves Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Berlin Posts: 33	john taylor [quote=kevk]Agreed on Azimuth. John Taylor has to be the most under-rated pianist since... well... ever. He is also on three (I think only three) of the Peter Erskine trio ECM records; all highly recommended. -kk[/QUOTE i'll also think he is highly underrated, perhaps because he doesn't show of or he sell's himself to bad? don't know.... had the fortune to play some jamsessions as a double bass player with john taylor some years ago, and he was really one of the most inspiring musicians i've ever met. really showed me how to make music every little moment you touch your instrument. even when you practise. he just shows you some examples, and he's into it every second and a simple scale sounds like a piece of music...and he's very british, very very nice guy. have to think a lot of him, even though i don't play much jazz anymore. we also played some tunes of "double double you" a kenny wheeler album which is one of my favorite ecm records, not soundwise but the playing and songwriting is amazing.... i also like the "keith jarret live in norway". one my favorite jarret album's. best wishes, aves ------------------------------------------------ www.super700.com www.olafton.com

6th June 2006, 04:58 AM	#58
Silver Sonya Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,492	This thread warms my heart. - Chad