Looking for a new television broadcast console

[irrah]

Hi there,

We´re looking for two new console.
We´ve yet two HD-TV Studios with Lawo MC56 and are pretty lucky with them.
Two Studios need new a console for Music Television, Gameshows and Talkshows etc, min. 64 ins, 20 Aux, 8 Bus, 6 Masters plus stage boxes etc.

The chief now says Lawo is a bit to expensive, Studer and Stagetec as well.
The Lawo support is a bit ..., but there is a support in Germany.
Euphonix is not so popular in Germany and many say it´s not a real Broadcast Console, why ever.

Do you know any alternaties?
How pricy is Clarec?
What´s about Wheatstone?
Do you deny the Broadcast minus for euphonix.
Wich euphonix would be the right one, system 5?

Thanx for ideas and posts!
Irrah

[Remoteness]

Have you considered DiGiCo or Avid consoles yet?

[apple-q]

Check out the Stagetec consoles

http://www.stagetec.com/web/en/references/396.html

[TonyF]

Have you looked at Audient which is a brilliant analogue console? Or maybe an integrated SADiE workstation with a suitable HUI? SADiE just showed an all solid-state hard-drive version at the London PLASA Show.

[DannyL]

+1 on Stagetec: Check out the Crescendo: Digital mixing console CRESCENDO

BTW: did you mean Calrec ? The Artemis might work for you.

I personally like the Euphonix, though the interface can be a bit intimidating to the casual user.

If you like PM me for further details and contacts.

Regars;
Danny

[roonsbane]

I believe Irrah stated that the stagetech is out of their price range in the initial post.

I have been using the Digico DS00 about twice a week for the past year now. In fact I had a live broadcast last night. It has some issues that bug me, but overall it is a little power house. We may be doing a neural surround broadcast next month so I will have to figure out how configure the console for surround. I am not looking forward to reconfiguring everything since we only get access to the console when the orchestra rents the hall. Of course that is the time I am actually using the console for rehearsals or concerts. Just as you'd expect, no one "in house" has any clue about how to configure the console for surround.
Cameron

[findletron]

We deployed a SSL C10 HD at the sports network I work @ about 6 months ago and I have been delighted with it to say the least.

Its the little brother to the C100 - same guts per my understanding, 96ch as we optioned it.

Just under 100k USD - very compact, very robust. Automation options (and an awesome dialogue auto-mix plugin for riding mic levels for phase issues) I didn't want to like it, but I do!

check it out!

/s

[findletron]

P.s. I really liked the Euphonix System 5b as well.. We had two demos come thru - the System 5B and the SSL. From a mixer's prospective - the physical board itself seemed to be build from higher quality components etc.. better faders, knobs, that kind of thing.

The mixers voted for the 5b.. Mostly because the 5B is ubiquitious here in LA and is a proven and mature platform.. the C10 was brand new at the time.. and well, we did not relish the idea of being beta testers in live broadcast applications

The money people decreed we would go with the SSL - and I must say I am REALLY happy they went this direction, in hindsight. I work day in and day out on this thing and it has been a pleasure to work on, The UI is very clever and makes sense pretty quickly. The Euphonix UI seemed a little more archaic by contrast.

Also the SSL guys were a pleasure to deal with.

my 2c

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[DannyL]

If the Lawo is a bit too expensive, I imagine the SSL would be more so.

Irrah;

I know from personal experience that Stagetec is being very competitive at the moment. They offer 3 desks:
The Aurus - most expensive
The Crescendo - less expensive
The Aurutus - least expensive.
And of course they are a German company, so service is readily available, as are demos.

They all work with the Nexus router system, which also interfaces very well in any facility. The control surfaces are extremely intuitive and the sound is incredible. I took me about 15 minutes to be able to get familiar enough with the desk to put a show on the air. The layering and fader spill functions are easy and comprehensive. You can get a LOT of inputs in a relatively small bit of surface area. Also...you can work with every sort of signal configuration available: Madi to Spdif, analog, Lightpipe, TDIF, etc.
Sample rate conversion on both inputs and outputs as required. In short: a LOT of "Bang for your buck."

I have used the Digico's. (D5's) There are pictures of me in Remoteness' truck doing CBS golf on one. Nice consoles. I hear the newer versions have improved some things. I liked the assignment bussing/matrixing.
Sonically they were pretty solid. I thought the surface could have been a little bigger, but I used 2 surfaces in tandem for full access of all the inputs I was using so it was a non issue. Digico was very helpful; they sent an engineer to help reprogram the core functions and they were very responsive over the phone.

Regards;
Danny

[huub]

I don't know what your console needs to be capable of, but soundcraft has these simplified studer vista mixers (the VI series), I'm pretty sure you can get a 48 channel mixer for about 50.000 euros..

If the budget is even more limited; as much as I dislike em; Yamaha is the only way to go really..

EDIT: The soundcraft vi2 is vene less expensive it seems.. http://www.soundcraft.com/products/product.aspx?pid=175

[irrah]

Thank you all for your posts!
The limitation for console and stage boxes, atm router and dsp is about 130-140k euros.
I heard the studer vista is best for surround.
Lawo, we have allready and would be the best for our support, no need to learn and buy new stuff.
Stage tec sounds good, seems to be quite aquivalent to lawo.
Calrec and SSL sounds good too, but I can´t believe the SSL costs just 100K Dollar, may be the console without stage boxes and dsp.
Anybody heard worked with wheatstone?
Anyone knowing prices of DIGICo D Series?

Best regards!
Harri

[DannyL]

I PM'ed you.

Best Regards;
Danny

[irrah]

Originally Posted by DannyL

I PM'ed you.

Best Regards;
Danny

thank you!
I´ll contact them on monday.

best regards,
harri

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by DannyL

...I have used the Digico's. (D5's) There are pictures of me in Remoteness' truck doing CBS golf on one. Nice consoles. I hear the newer versions have improved some things. I liked the assignment bussing/matrixing.
Sonically they were pretty solid. I thought the surface could have been a little bigger, but I used 2 surfaces in tandem for full access of all the inputs I was using so it was a non issue. Digico was very helpful; they sent an engineer to help reprogram the core functions and they were very responsive over the phone.

Regards;
Danny

And, here's a picture of Danny in TBM with the dual DiGiCo D5s...

[DannyL]

That was a lot of video monitors!!

Thanks Steve. I still smile when I think about that show. It was actually fun.

Now everybody is using distributed I/O. We were among the first in TV sports to do so.

Best Regards;
Danny

[slipstream]

Originally Posted by findletron

We deployed a SSL C10 HD at the sports network I work @ about 6 months ago and I have been delighted with it to say the least.

Its the little brother to the C100 - same guts per my understanding, 96ch as we optioned it.

Just under 100k USD - very compact, very robust. Automation options (and an awesome dialogue auto-mix plugin for riding mic levels for phase issues) I didn't want to like it, but I do!

check it out!

/s

The SSL C100 is amazing for routing....ease of use, sound quality....but over 4years the faders......a BASIC function of any console have been intermittently flaky and progressively so. Looks like we're getting a new revision of the faders this week after a software update made the intermittent problem a hard failure......very frustrating.

[timstoel]

Check out the Soundtracs DS-00. I spend a bit of time with one doing live TV mixes, and it's a nice setup and the support for it is amazing. It's the same mix engine as a DiGiCo D5 but with a better layout (IMO) for TV and post style work. The D5 is an "old" console now, btw.

Tim