Midas VeniceF-series

[once a roadie]

I have a hard time believing Midas can't implement a good converter / FW interface. I'm really excited about this new Venice.

Originally Posted by Biosynth

PT9 is for macOS and windows.
But midas doesn't make soundcard but only A/N N/A converters for the midas F, so they don't need drivers.

But the quality of the new midas F risks to be cheap unfortunately. The new klarks EQ DN370 "made in china" are very cheap (with the same price than the olds)

[barleyguy]

Originally Posted by Biosynth

PT9 is for macOS and windows.
But midas doesn't make soundcard but only A/N N/A converters for the midas F, so they don't need drivers.

But the quality of the new midas F risks to be cheap unfortunately. The new klarks EQ DN370 "made in china" are very cheap (with the same price than the olds)

The reason I asked is because PT9 under Windows specifically requires ASIO drivers, as opposed to WDM, MME, or HD drivers. If the firewire interface they use doesn't already have ASIO drivers made for it, somebody will have to write some.

I assume that they will have this covered, but I don't know, so that's why I asked.

The demo board does say "Made in England" on the back, as mentioned earlier in this thread. So hopefully that is still true for the production boards.

[Biosynth]

The reason I asked is because PT9 under Windows specifically requires ASIO drivers, as opposed to WDM, MME, or HD drivers. If the firewire interface they use doesn't already have ASIO drivers made for it, somebody will have to write some.

I assume that they will have this covered, but I don't know, so that's why I asked.

yes you're right sorry, i thought to the future ADAT card.

The demo board does say "Made in England" on the back, as mentioned earlier in this thread. So hopefully that is still true for the production boards.

The prototype and the models for demo are made in england, but like Klark products, the manufacturing of new midas venice will be more than surely in china. (i have read this on some webforum)

[jeronimo]

I can't wait for this series to hit the streets so we can start hearing/reading comments about stability!

[HalvorB]

Just registered today after browsing for a couple of years. Needed to bring this topic back up as I´m very torn between a F32 and a A&H GS-R24M. A Venice with motorized faders would make me buy it in a second, but right now I don´t know if I want a better EQ or flying faders. That´s my thoughts atm. Would love to hear more opinions about this. And anyone who have actually used this board and testet the Firewire stability, speak up please The audio quality and such is quite familiar as we have some older Venice desks at work.

[Big_Bang]

bumping for info... I had heard about this, but the Zed got my heart's attention.

Now this has caught my wallet's attention

I find no reference to this board on typical European vendors (dolphin, thomann, musicstore.de, etc.. ) ,

anyone got a scoop?

[jeronimo]

Same thing here... I want a F24 or a F16 (if money is short)... we need those consoles on the street guys!

[DaddyG]

I rang Midas today to enquire about the F24. They said they were still having a few teething problems with the desk, and also that they've had loads of pre-sales, so that even when it is released there's likely to be a 12 week wait on new orders.
They reckon that the F24 will retail around £2,500 + VAT.

[Big_Bang]

Any word on the european price of the F-16 ?

I've seen a couple of US quotes, but can't really consider as reference

[AllBread]

I downloaded the manual and confirmed the bummer news that it's limited to 44.1/48. No big deal for some, but I'm doing all my projects at 96 and loved the idea of just assigning Pro Tools outs to VeniceF ins and mixing away. Hopefully it will be a future upgrade (as well as just having AES DB25 digital I/O).

[jeronimo]

Yeah, the 48K thing kinda throws me off. Right now I'm more inclined for the 1640i.
I know, it's not a Midas but... it has 4 busses and does 96K.
Ohh, and costs about half the price of the Midas

[AllBread]

Yeah, but it says "Mackie" on it

[Remoteness]

Man, what a drag; The VeniceF only goes to 44.1/48?
Not terrible for many, but when you need to go the extra mile, it's a shame you can't with the Midas.

Originally Posted by AllBread

I downloaded the manual and confirmed the bummer news that it's limited to 44.1/48. No big deal for some, but I'm doing all my projects at 96 and loved the idea of just assigning Pro Tools outs to VeniceF ins and mixing away. Hopefully it will be a future upgrade (as well as just having AES DB25 digital I/O).

[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

Man, what a drag; The VeniceF only goes to 44.1/48?
Not terrible for many, but when you need to go the extra mile, it's a shame you can't with the Midas.

It's not the only thing. I was taking a look at the specs of the converters and they don't seem to be on pair with the rest of the console, a 105dB Dyn range is pretty low considered today's standards. Dynamic range alone doesn't say much about how those converters sound but it makes me think that if cuts were made in order to contain price, that's where MIDAS made them.

Another problem is outboard integration. So far I've been patching my comp's on the way in to the console. This of course wouldn't be possible when using the VeniceF integrated firewire card, the board has insert points on every channel but they're all unbalanced and all my outboard has balanced ins and outs.

I'm still seriously considering this console for both its sound quality and those super flexible eq's but I'd use it with external audio cards.

[jeronimo]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

Man, what a drag; The VeniceF only goes to 44.1/48?
Not terrible for many, but when you need to go the extra mile, it's a shame you can't with the Midas.

Let's just hope an update will make it 96k, but I doubt it.

[jeronimo]

Originally Posted by Ciozzi

It's not the only thing. I was taking a look at the specs of the converters and they don't seem to be on pair with the rest of the console, a 105dB Dyn range is pretty low considered today's standards. Dynamic range alone doesn't say much about how those converters sound but it makes me think that if cuts were made in order to contain price, that's where MIDAS made them.

Another problem is outboard integration. So far I've been patching my comp's on the way in to the console. This of course wouldn't be possible when using the VeniceF integrated firewire card, the board has insert points on every channel but they're all unbalanced and all my outboard has balanced ins and outs.

I'm still seriously considering this console for both its sound quality and those super flexible eq's but I'd use it with external audio cards.

All small format consoles have unbalanced inserts.

The converter thing is a bummer thou...

[Biosynth]

Any word on the european price of the F-16 ?

2,699.00€ la F16
3,690.00€ la F24
4,590.00€ la F32

[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by Biosynth

2,699.00€ la F16
3,690.00€ la F24
4,590.00€ la F32

where did you see these prices ?

[Ciozzi]

Originally Posted by jeronimo

All small format consoles have unbalanced inserts.

The converter thing is a bummer thou...

Why ? We're talking about a small but hi quality analog board here, would balanced inserts make the console much more expensive ?
I really don't think so, on the other side they can be noisy and they make you lose 12dB of signal when connected to balanced equipment.

[jeronimo]

Originally Posted by Ciozzi

Why ? We're talking about a small but hi quality analog board here, would balanced inserts make the console much more expensive ?
I really don't think so, on the other side they can be noisy and they make you lose 12dB of signal when connected to balanced equipment.

I have no idea why... but it's true...

[WVUtubadude]

I was really hoping to have one of these in time for a big indoor drumline competition I do audio for TV for each year. There's still a little over a month to go, but I have a feeling that the first run is going to sell fast.

[tribeofenki]

I had a real G.A.S. for this... But now I'm waiting for reliable users info.

The limitation on the external connection just makes me think:

'The first Version of Midas is still around...'

Someone asked about the Allen & Heath. I used live and it is a clean and usable
gear. It hasn't the four stages eq of the midas but its faders are great to me!

[tommy lee]

Originally Posted by rrraaalllfff

Aha, yes, good catch. Hope it stays that way and that it's not just a couple of early models made in England and the rest of the mass production moved to china.

(Please no "what's wrong with china" replies, thanx.)

thumbsup

[burnhard]

the first run of consoles will be built in England!!

[ivanc]

Originally Posted by Ciozzi

Why ? We're talking about a small but hi quality analog board here, would balanced inserts make the console much more expensive ?

Yes.

Balancing inserts doubles the number of connectors and adds circuitry.

Very few "affordable" consoles, if any, have balanced inserts.

[jeronimo]

My dealer told me they should be shipping this month... did any one hear anything like this?

[HalvorB]

Originally Posted by jeronimo

My dealer told me they should be shipping this month... did any one hear anything like this?

I sent an email to Klark Teknik two weeks ago, didn't get an answer when they would be shipping... They would've responded if they knew I suspect.. I've decided to buy one now, but need it within the next month so really hope they will be able to ship them soon. People have been waiting for half a year now after their first initial shipping date.

[PDC]

This last week, while I was on the phone with tech support getting some help for a customer, I asked a few questions. This is the info I received.

Consoles WILL be manufactured in China at the Behringer plant. The first run is coming from the UK. Music Group has relocated some of the guys to China to oversee production. Bosch tried to force Midas to be something for all people, because that is Bosch's thing, when Midas is about being something great for the few. So, Music Group has actually been a good thing for Midas and everyone is excited about it. Music Group's cash has afforded Midas new employees, more R&D money than Bosch ever thought of spending, etc. Midas claims that there will be no difference between the China and UK consoles. There will be some more new interesting products coming, like a smaller Midas digital console, etc for live sound.

[HalvorB]

Originally Posted by PDC

This last week, while I was on the phone with tech support getting some help for a customer, I asked a few questions. This is the info I received.

Consoles WILL be manufactured in China at the Behringer plant. The first run is coming from the UK. Music Group has relocated some of the guys to China to oversee production. Bosch tried to force Midas to be something for all people, because that is Bosch's thing, when Midas is about being something great for the few. So, Music Group has actually been a good thing for Midas and everyone is excited about it. Music Group's cash has afforded Midas new employees, more R&D money than Bosch ever thought of spending, etc. Midas claims that there will be no difference between the China and UK consoles. There will be some more new interesting products coming, like a smaller Midas digital console, etc for live sound.

But nothing about when the first run of consoles from the UK will be shipped... That new smaller digital console have been almost ready last one and a half years, I've even heard the model name for it, but can't remember what it was. I know people personally who have seen it more than a year ago. Apparently it looked very good. Think the price of it will be too high for me anyway.

[PDC]

Originally Posted by HalvorB

But nothing about when the first run of consoles from the UK will be shipped... That new smaller digital console have been almost ready last one and a half years, I've even heard the model name for it, but can't remember what it was. I know people personally who have seen it more than a year ago. Apparently it looked very good. Think the price of it will be too high for me anyway.

The one they are developing is not the Pro3, which has shipped. This is less ins and outs, etc, not just a smaller control surface, etc.

Yeah, I got no final word on shipping. They were done and in QC when I spoke to them.

I am betting that the first run goes for full price since people have a few worries about China and Behringer made products (myself included).