Who's using JoeCo, and for what?

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by philper

One other note: if you've set the machine up to be looking for TC on its TC input and the TC stops or disappears, the recorder STOPS.....


phil p

Talk to JoeCo and make him aware.

There may be a fix - or he will do a fix.

But - many people *want* a machine to stop if timecode stops. Stop one and they all stop together.

So, discuss it with JoeCo - please.

I have found a tendency in these modern times that people tend to discuss things on forums like this without ever letting the manufacturer know. Very often it can be fixed quite easily of only the manufacturer knew there was a problem.


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[0VU]

Originally Posted by ebulb

The BBR1 which is already double the price doesnt have the ADAT in/outs and correct me if im wrong but does it even have 24 analog outs ? 3 x 25 pin connectors are just for inputs arent they ? Or are they switchable within the unit somehow ?

If you want the ADAT option it looks to me like you have to get the BBR1-A which is no doubt more expensive again and when i see the rear pic its still only 3 x 25 pin connectors.. do you get both analog in and out or is it only inputs ?

The basic BBR1U has analogue in and out but they're unbalanced. Hence using a single TRS jack per channel to plug into desks which use a single unbalanced insert send/return socket and only needing one row of DSub25s.

If you want balanced analogue i/o, you need the BBR1B, which has the upper row of DSub25s poplulated too, to get 24 channels of balanced analogue i/o. It loses the 'loop through' TRS connections of the BBR1U but otherwise is the same.

HAve a good look at the JoeCo website. Most, if not all, of your questions wuold probably be answered there. And if not, call/email them.

[philper]

Originally Posted by John Willett

Talk to JoeCo and make him aware.

There may be a fix - or he will do a fix.

But - many people *want* a machine to stop if timecode stops. Stop one and they all stop together.

So, discuss it with JoeCo - please.

I have found a tendency in these modern times that people tend to discuss things on forums like this without ever letting the manufacturer know. Very often it can be fixed quite easily of only the manufacturer knew there was a problem.


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Good point. I'm not sure what I think about this feature--it could be very handy, that wasn't a complaint, it's just something the recorder does that I didn't covered in the manual that COULD bite someone who didn't know about it.

phil p

[Barish]

I have recorded an album over the weekend, and the same artist and his backing band have a live performance on November 4th, which I will be using the same two BlackBoxes to record again.

This time I will be using a pair of recommended drives, and I'll report how it went.

B.

[hbphotoav]

Very OT... but I was considering a JoeCo BBR1-B as a solution to being able to track more than the 16+2 channels available in my current Mackie Onyx 1640. I came down to a BB with mic amps or a PreSonus StudioLive 24.4.2

Since I waited late and my monthly tracking gig was around the corner and local supplier CTS Audio had a new PreSonus in stock at $100 less than the JoeCo... off I went in that direction.

Short version: Unbox the 24.4.2... install driver on MBP... FW400 to MBP computer... FW800 HD from MBP... start it up... open "Capture"... arm all 26 tracks (one click)... set gains at soundcheck... press "Record"...

Done. 48kHz 24-bit .wav files. No muss. No fuss. And two nights later, FOH and two monitor sends at a live show. No problem-O. Nice bit of kit, this. But, then... it is a bit bigger than a single rackspace.

I can live with that.

HB

[philper]

Originally Posted by hbphotoav

Very OT... but I was considering a JoeCo BBR1-B as a solution to being able to track more than the 16+2 channels available in my current Mackie Onyx 1640. I came down to a BB with mic amps or a PreSonus StudioLive 24.4.2

Since I waited late and my monthly tracking gig was around the corner and local supplier CTS Audio had a new PreSonus in stock at $100 less than the JoeCo... off I went in that direction.

Short version: Unbox the 24.4.2... install driver on MBP... FW400 to MBP computer... FW800 HD from MBP... start it up... open "Capture"... arm all 26 tracks (one click)... set gains at soundcheck... press "Record"...

Done. 48kHz 24-bit .wav files. No muss. No fuss. And two nights later, FOH and two monitor sends at a live show. No problem-O. Nice bit of kit, this. But, then... it is a bit bigger than a single rackspace.

I can live with that.

HB

Presonus looks cool. If you ever set it up to be externally clocked (via another Presonus interface aggregated with it) I'd like to know how that goes. (I have to have ext clock all the time....)

phil p

[mpdonahue]

One of the interesting that came across my desk to day is that JoeCo is going to make a Dante compatible recorder...... Interesting for those that are using any devices with audio over IP, like the new Yamaha boards.

All the best,
-mark

[J D'Uva]

Originally Posted by philper

One other note: if you've set the machine up to be looking for TC on its TC input and the TC stops or disappears, the recorder STOPS.....
phil p

On my unit timecode can stop or even the TRS pulled and and the JoeCo chugs right along without any error messages or stopping. I'm running software version 2 on the BBR1B (balanced i/o) but tests on the original software a year ago had the same results.
If the footswitch option is engaged and TC is plugged in then the unit goes crazy.

I've recorded several specials for comedy central using 500gig 7200 OWC Elite drives without any troubles.

[philper]

Originally Posted by J D'Uva

On my unit timecode can stop or even the TRS pulled and and the JoeCo chugs right along without any error messages or stopping. I'm running software version 2 on the BBR1B (balanced i/o) but tests on the original software a year ago had the same results.
If the footswitch option is engaged and TC is plugged in then the unit goes crazy.

I've recorded several specials for comedy central using 500gig 7200 OWC Elite drives without any troubles.

Interesting--mine was a rental unit, and that behavior was very consistent--w/o footswitch. Was your JoeCo set to look for ext TC?

phil p

[J D'Uva]

Originally Posted by philper

Interesting--mine was a rental unit, and that behavior was very consistent--w/o footswitch. Was your JoeCo set to look for ext TC?

phil p

Yes. I did a test today with the BB Timestamp set to external and Ref Clock source set to external(s/pdif) and then switched the clock to internal to check if there was any difference. It never stopped on any setting when TC was pulled. If TC does get interrupted the BB will let you know after the machine stops by flashing "NO LTC" in the lower right corner where the ext timecode is displayed. Also, the external TC display will still run despite a lack of code. It will still let you record a new song and timestamp the files with it's best guess of where the external TC should be.

[John Willett]

I was talking to Joe at BVE last week. There was a case when the BB would stop if external time-code was interrupted.

When he realised what was happening he fixed it so that if there is an interruption on external time code the BB continues to run on it's own clock until the external clock comes back.

I *think* the fix is a software update, but you'll have to check this with Joe.


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[InvertedPhase]

So I understand they are discontinuing the HD24 line ... I Understand JoeCo has these boxes. I understand that FAT32 has a limitation of 2 GB per track.
I need to build boxes, several. 24 track per box, TRS or XLR from stage iso splits. Occasionally have to stack 2 24's for bigger shows. Have A/D's would like to send via light, but thats ADAT, evidently causing transfer time limitations in rendering to SATA/.wav files. I am not the techie. I am the boss. I need to shop. It's gotta be fast and stable, and reasonable. I like these JoeCo boxes. Heard them. I'm a little lost on the file type/size/transfer speed thing. We do full length concerts - easily 3 hours. big files.
So here's the thorn on top of that. Thunderbolt. What does a 50 year old tape guy who has a slight clue need to know. Is Thunderbolt gonna be like firewire in 2 years. its really stupidly expensive when adding up multiple rigs. Help an old guy out here?

[philper]

Originally Posted by InvertedPhase

So I understand they are discontinuing the HD24 line ... I Understand JoeCo has these boxes. I understand that FAT32 has a limitation of 2 GB per track.
I need to build boxes, several. 24 track per box, TRS or XLR from stage iso splits. Occasionally have to stack 2 24's for bigger shows. Have A/D's would like to send via light, but thats ADAT, evidently causing transfer time limitations in rendering to SATA/.wav files. I am not the techie. I am the boss. I need to shop. It's gotta be fast and stable, and reasonable. I like these JoeCo boxes. Heard them. I'm a little lost on the file type/size/transfer speed thing. We do full length concerts - easily 3 hours. big files.
So here's the thorn on top of that. Thunderbolt. What does a 50 year old tape guy who has a slight clue need to know. Is Thunderbolt gonna be like firewire in 2 years. its really stupidly expensive when adding up multiple rigs. Help an old guy out here?

If you need rigs today I'd go JoeCo and USB. There are various JoeCo models (diffs are the inputs), one type will work for you I bet. I'm way happy with the sound and reliability so far. Can't argue with the size/weight-- an HD24 is the size of minimum 3 BBR-1s and probably weighs what 10 would. Thunderbolt will change some things but who knows when. For a sobering look at what happens when you get dependent on an Apple technology for a mission critical professional application, check the recent bowwow over Final Cut Pro "X".

phil p