Nutty Preacher and the "bad" B-3!!!!

[dbbubba]

I have been doing a lot of live mixing for churches lately

On Saturday I was mixing an ALL DAY church revival
This was a nutty bunch that I only mix once per year.
They are not my usual church gig which is a great thing and VERY class organization.

A guest preacher/pastor/what-ever was preaching away and suddenly he started talking about how another preacher told him that the B3 organ at his church was "taking away from the religious experience." WHAT?
The other preacher told him that he needed "keyboards like those" as he motioned to the the Roland, Yamaha and other synths in the band.

He went on to say that the B3's sound was "contained in a wooden box" and the sound was "boxed up."
He said that the sound of the "plastic" KYBDS was "better for praising the Lord."
The plastic KYBDS maybe have MORE sounds, but BETTER than a B3?

He said that he told his congregation that the B3 was "going away" and he had THREE people wanting to buy it right there.
Well, I guess so if you hate it that bad!

Is this some crazy stuff or what?

[grrrayson]

Heresy! Sacrilege! Blasphemy!

The B3 is only THE sound of classic gospel.

That's funny stuff—thanks for sharing.

[rob61]

Its preachers like that who give religion a bad name.

I've already got two of em, but tell that preacher I'd be glad to take if off his hands. Hopefully that'll happen before he has everyone drink the kool-aid.

[Digitar]

Originally Posted by dbbubba

I have been doing a lot of live mixing for churches lately ($$$$)

On Saturday I was mixing an ALL DAY church revival (again... $$$$$)
This was a nutty bunch that I only mix once per year.
They are not my usual church gig which is a great thing and VERY class organization.

A guest preacher/pastor/what-ever was preaching away and suddenly he started talking about how another preacher told him that the B3 organ at his church was "taking away from the religious experience." WHAT?
The other preacher told him that he needed "keyboards like those" as he motioned to the the Roland, Yamaha and other synths in the band.

He went on to say that the B3's sound was "contained in a wooden box" and the sound was "boxed up."
He said that the sound of the "plastic" KYBDS was "better for praising the Lord."
The plastic KYBDS maybe have MORE sounds, but BETTER than a B3?

He said that he told his congregation that the B3 was "going away" and he had THREE people wanting to buy it right there.
Well, I guess so if you hate it that bad!

Is this some crazy stuff or what?

Danny that's some funny stuff! Praise the Lord and pass me a Copperhead!

[dbbubba]

I have to be honest though...
I do lot's of work for The Potter's house and T.D. Jakes Ministries.
Potter's House is a HUGE church and the production is full on.
They are great people and I really enjoy mixing their services.
It is probably the most intense monitor mix gig I have done and I have been around and done a lot of shows over the years.

They ROCK the C3!

They also have a full band with horns and a monstrous choir.
They rock the house, too.

I told a friend that it is like mixing monitors for U2 and a corporate show AT THE SAME TIME!

[Daedalus77]

Just out of curiosity, what sort of FOH rig do they use? Venue system, Yamaha, Midas? Do they record the service? PT|HD?

[My Tiny Circus]

Everyone knows that B3s are evil but B2s with the Trek II percussion mod are heavenly.

[dbbubba]

Originally Posted by Daedalus77

Just out of curiosity, what sort of FOH rig do they use? Venue system, Yamaha, Midas? Do they record the service? PT|HD?

Potter's House?

The system was installed about ten years ago and they are about to re-do the entire sanctuary rig.
There are three Yamaha PM1s (F.O.H., monitors and TV Mix.)
The FOH controls the mic pres and the signals is sent digital to the monitor and TV mix consoles.
I think I have somewhere near 56 inputs at monitors and the FOH and TV mix have about six more (main choir.)
The speaker boxes in the sanctuary are an assortment of pre-line array EAW boxes.
To be honest, I have not studied the main rig.

The service is recorded on video, but it also goes out via satellite to two satellite churches and it is also broadcast on BET.
They have a full-on TV master control record/switching room.
I think there are six TV cameras.
BIG production!

[spenz]

...a church, right?

[Phil Cibley]

Great. Now we can add plastic vs wood to the ever popular
tubes vs transistors and analog vs digital.

[dbbubba]

Originally Posted by spenz

...a church, right?

It is BIG TIME church!

I estimate that the production crew is AT LEAST 24 people (audio/lighting/TV.)
Look it up on BET (Black Entertainment Television) on Sundays.
We're live baby!
You can maybe see me sweating on LIVE TV!
I am easy to pick out because I am the one white man with grey hair on that stage.

I'll be honest... I love a challenging gig because in corporate work and the radio/TV production I used to do things can get pretty boring.
After thirty years of studio work that is rarely white knuckle time.

This gig is a rockin' show (service.)
Monitor position is up on the GIGANTIC stage in front of God and everybody.
I have the ten piece band right in front of me and to my left, a 9-piece a praise team (small choir) on individual wired mics, four to six wireless vocal mics that come and go and T.D. Jakes with dedicated a lav and a handheld.
The stage is over 100' wide and with the big choir there are over 75 people on the stage involved in the service.
A 100' wide stage is a HUGE amount of real estate to keep track of as a monitor mixer.

Honestly, it was easier to mix and track radio broadcasts of bands like Metallica than this!

..... but man is it fun!

Oh, yeah... they have a Hammond C3 and it is ROCKIN'!

[RyanC]

I play (keys/organ) at a COGIC church, the thing about Hammonds is that they are so iconic to that style that a lot of the newer generations of pastors and praise leaders want to move away from that sound (fair enough).

Also for some reason COGIC pasters think they know a lot about music, which is obviously a HUGE part of their service, and because the whole message is basically all about shooting from the hip because God will guide your hand/bullet, sooner or later your are bound to hear some stuff that makes you go.

At my chruch (I'm on of 5 white people out of 500 or so) the paster LOVES it when we do the really saccharin white praise music, he makes us do that stuff and pretty much everyone hates it; but I think to him it's nice because it isn't black gospel music.

[mcmike]

YouTube - Organ Solo & Holy Praise Break Pt.1(Wendell Lowe Playing)

Mike McRoberts

[dbbubba]

Originally Posted by mcmike

YouTube - Organ Solo & Holy Praise Break Pt.1(Wendell Lowe Playing)

Mike McRoberts

That guy is a SMOKIN' organ player!

Here's a YouTube link to my gig.
YouTube - A Praise Break at the Potter's House
Run the time line up to about 1:45 to catch the band ROCKIN' IT HARD!
Up to a about 4:00 minutes this is smokin' stuff and super fun to mix.

With Bishop Jakes, the band and the congregation going full out it is a DYNAMIC show to be mixing monitors for.
It is LOUD, too!

[fhames]

I do lot's of work for The Potter's house and T.D. Jakes Ministries.

I'd like to see one of those services live.
I'd love to play (organ) one of those services.







Bryant - Hames Music

[dbbubba]

Come on down!

I'm not the churchiest person on earth, but you get swept up in The Potter's House services.
There is some energy!

[mcmike]

Originally Posted by dbbubba

Here's a YouTube link to my gig.
YouTube - A Praise Break at the Potter's House
Run the time line up to about 1:45 to catch the band ROCKIN' IT HARD!
Up to a about 4:00 minutes this is smokin' stuff and super fun to mix.

With Bishop Jakes, the band and the congregation going full out it is a DYNAMIC show to be mixing monitors for.
It is LOUD, too!

Wow-Looks like a great service. When I was in high school, I played organ at both my mom's Episcopal church and the Catholic church. The Episcopal church had a C3, the Catholic church had a Thomas organ. I preferred the Hammond. Sadly, nobody danced at either of these services.

Mike McRoberts

[mcmike]

Originally Posted by dbbubba

That guy is a SMOKIN' organ player!

By the way, I found that video care of a link by Mike Finnigan, who's also a smoking hot B3 player.

[dbbubba]

They dance at Potter's House!

[Daedalus77]

As we all know, in addition to singing augmented fourths exclusively, the devil only plays B3s.

[dbbubba]

I once read a crazy interview in Rolling Stone with Anton LaVey who was the head of that satanic church in San Francisco.

Of course he was a musician.... explains a lot, doesn't it?

He had a rather involved late '80s era MIDI rig.
He was explaining how satanic heavy metal music WAS NOT the devil's music.
The devil's music was music that resembled "circus music."
He quoted some "famous" circus music pieces and played them for the person writing the article.
wow.....

[fhames]

Come on down!
I'm not the churchiest person on earth, but you get swept up in The Potter's House services.
There is some energy!

I'd love to but I have a gig at a church up in Flower Mound.





Bryant - Hames Music