Canare or Mogami

Jim Easton · 15th November 2005

~

For those of you using these two cables, is there a difference in sound quality in a 30' cable?

The Mogami 2549 is about $30 for a 30' cable, on ebay.
The Canare L-4E6S is about $27 for 30'.

Both use gold neutrik. The Canare comes with color coded ends or color cable.

I do about 90% location recording.

Thanks

~

Legacy · 15th November 2005

Have not compared them but I have used Canare Star Quad / neutrik ends on location for 12+ years and have never been let down once. Good stuff. The color cables are a life saver on those huge orchestral sessions. We even decided that if the color name has an 'r' in it we would use it for right and 'l' names for left until we got to Purple - crap! ahem, I mean Violet...It helps with the assistants who are still confused about audience perspective versus performer perspective...Video techs are not too thrilled to show up to a stage full of 10-15 bright colors however...

Best,
Silas

klaukholm · 15th November 2005

Mogami 2549 is 50cents a foot at redco so my advice would be to make the cable yourself.

kjetil

Beauarts · 15th November 2005

I believe if you buy a roll ocanare it's 42 cents a foot. Roll yer own.

True North · 18th November 2005

The guy who does all of my tech work says he ran some square wave tests through Canare and Mogami cables. He is adamant that the Canare cable won hands down and is the better cable. Cheers!

**Remoteness** · 18th November 2005

I used three brands of cable…

Most of the wiring in my Expando truck is Canare with the option of additional Mogami and Belden Brilliance tie lines.

Lately, I’ve been using Canare for most of my internal wiring of racks and such.
I also use Mogami snake cable for internal or permanent installations only.
It’s too supple for the riggers of location recording.

NathanEldred · 18th November 2005

Canare Quad with braided shield...you'll be able to give it to your grandkids. Also, just my 2 cents, don't use gold Neutriks for non permanent installs (use silver Neutrik)...the gold will wear off.

**Remoteness** · 18th November 2005

Yeah, and it's better to use gold connectors with (only) gold connectors.

NathanEldred · 18th November 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remoteness

Yeah, and it's better to use gold connectors with (only) gold connectors.

True...unless you are using Cramolin, it causes metals to conduct like Gold, but attracts dirt like heck!

Jim Easton · 19th November 2005

~

Glad to here that the Canare was a good choice.

I was concerned that I may be giving up sound quality for durability. Glad to know with Canare I have not sacrificed anything-!!

Thanks guys

~

**Remoteness** · 19th November 2005

Ah, Cramolin… the less you use, the better it works! Yeah, it’s a magnet to dirt!

Canare is a good choice but many folks have an issue with the extra capacitance in star Quad cable so, keep that in mind when making your final decision.

Legacy · 19th November 2005

"Canare is a good choice but many folks have an issue with the extra
capacitance in star Quad cable so, keep that in mind when making
your final decision."

Hi Steve,

Would you mind elaborating a bit on this? I hadn't heard it before.

Thanks,
Silas

Don S · 20th November 2005

Love Canare cable. It's pretty easy to get it in bulk here in the NYC area. So you can make different lengths. I have heard that it is a little more fragile than basic 2 conductor plus shield mic cable. I try to keep it off stage when tracking live shows. The RF rejection is amazing. Properly cared for will last a long time.

Don

genericperson · 20th November 2005

a like that you can buy the Mogami stuff at Guitar Center with the connectors already on them

jakerbean7 · 20th November 2005

You can buy the Canare cable with Neutrik connectors and make a 30' cable for less than $15. That's what I've been doing. It also justified buying a nice soldering station for making cables and other repair work.

Jake

fifthcircle · 21st November 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remoteness

Canare is a good choice but many folks have an issue with the extra capacitance in star Quad cable so, keep that in mind when making your final decision.

Thing is for location work, you also need the best shielding and rf rejection as possible. I'd rather worry about a bit of capacitance than have to worry about some lighting idiots cable causing a buzz in one of my microphones. Whenever I use Mogami (as one of my snakes is Mogami), I have buzz issues from power. Using Canare solves all issues.

--Ben

Bob Olhsson · 21st November 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by fifthcircle

.... Whenever I use Mogami (as one of my snakes is Mogami), I have buzz issues from power. Using Canare solves all issues...

Using good ol' Gotham mike cable has solved buzz issues that Canare couldn't deal with for me!

Walling1 · 21st November 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson

Using good ol' Gotham mike cable has solved buzz issues that Canare couldn't deal with for me!

Yes, it's hard to beat Gotham's dual spiral shield - the only 100% coverage shield that's suitable for portable use that I know of. I believe most braided shields generally have 90-95% coverage, and foil shields, while they do have 100% coverage, aren't suited for portable applications because they break down with use.

I wouldn't use any sort of quad cable for more than 50' or so, due to the capacitance. And I'm not talking about tweaky pinheaded audiophile reasons here - it affects audio below 20k. But 30' of quad should be fine.

-Dave

28th November 2005

Try making your own cables. If you have never done it before, surely someone is willing to help you along. This way you can always have what you need for a fair price, also in my opinion a better quality is achievable over those ready made cables you find out there on the cheap.

Yannick · 28th November 2005

Capacitance in starquad cable is LOWER than in standard cable.
Gotham GAC-4/1 = 55pF/m (cond/cond)
Gotham GAC-2 = 125pF/m (cond/cond)

Sommercable Galileo (low capacitance mic cable) = 50 pF/m (cond/cond)
Sommercable Square 4-core = 37 pF/m (cond/cond in crossover config)

You can have LONGER runs, not shorter ...

quote from Gotham literature : "Starquad concept is known and recommended where RF-rejection is the most important factor and where very long cable runs are needed... we reduce signal loss by 50% ..."

Another quote from another manufacturer : "... improved HF performance: better clarity without need for EQ ... phase shift is gratly reduced and this is a great benefit when clarity and coherence of HF complex waveforms is to be considered"

Harley-OIART · 29th November 2005

How is quad cable attached to terminals differently than 2conductor + shield?

do you just go 1+3 -> 1 .... 2+4 -> 2 .... and ground -> ground?

(sorry for lack of technical terms... very sleepy)

Yannick · 29th November 2005

That is right.

sonare · 29th November 2005

The capacitance issue is really only a factor if there is more than 50-75 feet between the mic and the pre. Of course, the farther you go the more HF rolloff there is BUT also the greater risk of AC problems.

I use Mogami AES except when there is AC stuff that needs the superior shielding of CanareStarquad. The sound difference between these two is something you do not need golden ears to hear, but if you got AC junk a clean signal trumps everything else!

Rich

15th November 2005	#1
Jim Easton Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Pa Posts: 150 Thread Starter	Canare or Mogami ~ For those of you using these two cables, is there a difference in sound quality in a 30' cable? The Mogami 2549 is about $30 for a 30' cable, on ebay. The Canare L-4E6S is about $27 for 30'. Both use gold neutrik. The Canare comes with color coded ends or color cable. I do about 90% location recording. Thanks ~

15th November 2005	#3
klaukholm Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,408	Mogami 2549 is 50cents a foot at redco so my advice would be to make the cable yourself. kjetil __________________ CK Recording incomplete IMDB credits

18th November 2005	#5
True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 3,203	The guy who does all of my tech work says he ran some square wave tests through Canare and Mogami cables. He is adamant that the Canare cable won hands down and is the better cable. Cheers! __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

18th November 2005	#6
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 7,311	I used three brands of cable… Most of the wiring in my Expando truck is Canare with the option of additional Mogami and Belden Brilliance tie lines. Lately, I’ve been using Canare for most of my internal wiring of racks and such. I also use Mogami snake cable for internal or permanent installations only. It’s too supple for the riggers of location recording. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network What about my Facebook Profile? Remoteness on Myspace

18th November 2005	#7
NathanEldred Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Central Florida Posts: 7,130	Canare Quad with braided shield...you'll be able to give it to your grandkids. Also, just my 2 cents, don't use gold Neutriks for non permanent installs (use silver Neutrik)...the gold will wear off. __________________ Nathan Eldred Visit Atlas Pro Audio USA Distributor for Buzz Audio Atlas Recording Studios, Inc.

15th November 2005	#2
Legacy Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 632	Have not compared them but I have used Canare Star Quad / neutrik ends on location for 12+ years and have never been let down once. Good stuff. The color cables are a life saver on those huge orchestral sessions. We even decided that if the color name has an 'r' in it we would use it for right and 'l' names for left until we got to Purple - crap! ahem, I mean Violet...It helps with the assistants who are still confused about audience perspective versus performer perspective...Video techs are not too thrilled to show up to a stage full of 10-15 bright colors however... Best, Silas

15th November 2005	#4
Beauarts Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 378	I believe if you buy a roll ocanare it's 42 cents a foot. Roll yer own.

19th November 2005	#10
Jim Easton Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Pa Posts: 150 Thread Starter	~ Glad to here that the Canare was a good choice. I was concerned that I may be giving up sound quality for durability. Glad to know with Canare I have not sacrificed anything-!! Thanks guys ~

20th November 2005	#13
Don S Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,304	Love Canare cable. It's pretty easy to get it in bulk here in the NYC area. So you can make different lengths. I have heard that it is a little more fragile than basic 2 conductor plus shield mic cable. I try to keep it off stage when tracking live shows. The RF rejection is amazing. Properly cared for will last a long time. Don __________________ www.symphonicsound.com "The secret of life, though, is falling down seven times and get up eight times." Paulo Coelho

20th November 2005	#14
genericperson Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 521	a like that you can buy the Mogami stuff at Guitar Center with the connectors already on them

20th November 2005	#15
jakerbean7 Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Colorado Springs and Phoenix Posts: 84	You can buy the Canare cable with Neutrik connectors and make a 30' cable for less than $15. That's what I've been doing. It also justified buying a nice soldering station for making cables and other repair work. Jake

28th November 2005	#19
WHITEAUDIOLABs Guest Posts: n/a	Try making your own cables. If you have never done it before, surely someone is willing to help you along. This way you can always have what you need for a fair price, also in my opinion a better quality is achievable over those ready made cables you find out there on the cheap.

28th November 2005	#20
Yannick Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brussels Posts: 585	Capacitance in starquad cable is LOWER than in standard cable. Gotham GAC-4/1 = 55pF/m (cond/cond) Gotham GAC-2 = 125pF/m (cond/cond) Sommercable Galileo (low capacitance mic cable) = 50 pF/m (cond/cond) Sommercable Square 4-core = 37 pF/m (cond/cond in crossover config) You can have LONGER runs, not shorter ... quote from Gotham literature : "Starquad concept is known and recommended where RF-rejection is the most important factor and where very long cable runs are needed... we reduce signal loss by 50% ..." Another quote from another manufacturer : "... improved HF performance: better clarity without need for EQ ... phase shift is gratly reduced and this is a great benefit when clarity and coherence of HF complex waveforms is to be considered" __________________ Yannick Willox www.acousticrecordingservice.be (mobile recording)

29th November 2005	#21
Harley-OIART Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,129	How is quad cable attached to terminals differently than 2conductor + shield? do you just go 1+3 -> 1 .... 2+4 -> 2 .... and ground -> ground? (sorry for lack of technical terms... very sleepy)

29th November 2005	#23
sonare Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: southeast Posts: 1,321	The capacitance issue is really only a factor if there is more than 50-75 feet between the mic and the pre. Of course, the farther you go the more HF rolloff there is BUT also the greater risk of AC problems. I use Mogami AES except when there is AC stuff that needs the superior shielding of CanareStarquad. The sound difference between these two is something you do not need golden ears to hear, but if you got AC junk a clean signal trumps everything else! Rich __________________ Sonare Recordings www.sonarerecordings.com

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