What about Boom Recorder and Metacorder??

[deardaddy]

Please note:
Pascal had nothing to do with creating the title or starting this thread.
I copied and moved the first eight posts from another discussion into this one.
It was time to move this informative dialog to its own world of thought.

I work for the belgian public television, we have been using the setup below for more than 2 years :
Macbook pro (1500€) + RME Madi card (1000€) + Boom recorder software (200€).
We have 64 recording tracks, audio time stamped files (LTC, time of day, ...), we can record on internal or external HD.
We recorded more than 100 shows with this setup and never had a single problem.

Pascal

[neve2254e]

Originally Posted by deardaddy

I work for the belgian public television, we have been using the setup below for more than 2 years :
Macbook pro (1500€) + RME Madi card (1000€) + Boom recorder software (200€).
We have 64 recording tracks, audio time stamped files (LTC, time of day, ...), we can record on internal or external HD.
We recorded more than 100 shows with this setup and never had a single problem.

Pascal

Thanks Pascal,
I have been looking into Boom recorder, and Metacorder. Just really want a super simple set up. I will not always be the operator. I will have other engineers fill in for me, so I want to make it as simple as a Tascam DA-88 (when working!) Good to hear you can get that kind of track count. Last big show I did had 124 tracks, 2 pro-tool rigs, took up a small office. Hey but I looked really important!
thanks
Eric

[eskay]

Originally Posted by neve2254e

Thanks Pascal,
I have been looking into Boom recorder, and Metacorder. Just really want a super simple set up. I will not always be the operator. I will have other engineers fill in for me, so I want to make it as simple as a Tascam DA-88 (when working!) Good to hear you can get that kind of track count. Last big show I did had 124 tracks, 2 pro-tool rigs, took up a small office. Hey but I looked really important!
thanks
Eric

Can you guys provide me with what is a Boom Recorder and Metacorder?
Many thanks.

[neve2254e]

Can you guys provide me with what is a Boom Recorder and Metacorder?
Many thanks.

VOSGAMES - Boom Recorder
and
Metacorder

These recorders are intended for television and film work.

[Indrestudios]

+1 for Boom Recorder.

We run it on a Mac Pro in the truck as the backup to ProTools. Knock on wood, it's never even hiccuped, even at 60+ tracks at once. That machine uses an RME madi card for the i/o & records to an internal SATA drive.

The developer stalled a bit when Snow Leopard came out for Mac, but I think they're trying to keep up with a new version shortly.

If only JoeCo would come out with a MADI interface option.

-Michael

[noisyboy9]

Hi Guys,

I am regularly doing recordings of live concerts with two incoming streams of MADI (56ch) on Nuendo. We need to build a backup machine for this. Does anyone know if Boom Recorder or Metacorder can cope with over 64 channels? I want a foolproof backup possibly on a Mac Pro with the SSL 128 MADI card.

Best

[bishopthomas]

Maybe it's time to start a new thread...

[loujudson]

New thread for the new subject would be good. You can look up the specs for Boom recorder online...

http://www.vosgames.nl/products/BoomRecorder/

says 64 channels. Use two Mac Pros?

L

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by bishopthomas

Maybe it's time to start a new thread...

Done deal.

[LX3]

Originally Posted by noisyboy9

Hi Guys,

Does anyone know if Boom Recorder or Metacorder can cope with over 64 channels? I want a foolproof backup possibly on a Mac Pro with the SSL 128 MADI card.

Best

Note that the SSL cards are PC-only.

Yeah, would love to see someone produce a purpose-designed live recording app. BoomRecorder wasn't quite it for me. Presonus are allegedly there already, but have enough on their plate with Studio One.

[huub]

Reaper is pretty OK really.. But yeah, A Purpose designed program for (audio for video) location recording and basic playback would be really really cool!
Built in Video ref for audio and TC would be perrrfect... But syncing to the madi input and using one audio input for LTC would be enough..
Not losing your WAVS after crash or powerloss...
Writing to two drive simultaneously and redundantly..
support for 128 tracks (two madi ports).....

[mpdonahue]

Originally Posted by LX3

Note that the SSL cards are PC-only.

Since this thread has been resurrected I thought that I might add that the MADI Extreme cards from SSL are both Mac compatible. I know someone that runs a 128 with Nuendo on a Mac Pro, works flawlessly with the current drivers at 32 or 64 samples.
AFAIK, the thing that is not Mac compatible is the mixing desk on the MX4 card.
All the best,
-mark

[LX3]

Ah, right you are... When I think of the SSL MADI boards I always tend to think first of MX4 (which I'm thinking of upgrading to when the occasion dictates. Currently using a couple of RME HDSP boards which are very solid).

On the subject of live recording software, I have to say I'm not really digging Reaper that much. I was looking into using it in plain "multitrack tape" mode, but I can't figure out how to get the mixer to take a mono input and route it directly to a mono output (i.e. with no panner). Unless I missed something obvious.

Sticking with Cubase/Nuendo for now.

But I would love someone to develop a purpose-built live multitrack recording application. Something relatively idiot-proof, with great metering (at least 64 channels viewable at once) and that doesn't require you to keep switching between "track" and "mixer" windows.

[chris319]

US$1,795 for Metacorder? Are they out of their minds?

[Indrestudios]

Originally Posted by LX3

But I would love someone to develop a purpose-built live multitrack recording application. Something relatively idiot-proof, with great metering (at least 64 channels viewable at once) and that doesn't require you to keep switching between "track" and "mixer" windows.

It's funny, it seem like this conversation has come full circle back to the subject of Boom Recorder. LX3 - I think it does exactly what you're looking for: purpose-built, no-frills, super stable .wav recorder. I use it on a MacPro with an RME madi card and it has no problem recording 64 tracks to an internal SATA drive for hours and hours. The monitoring window shows all 64 channels and I actually prefer these meters to ProTools. Check it out.

-Michael

[huub]

But boomrecorder will not let you play back the files right?
I need that possibility for playing back soundchecks.
What's the track limit of boomrecorder?

[deardaddy]

Boom recorder's max track count is actually 64 but the developper is working on a 128 tracks version.
BR should be able to play back previous recording but I have to say that this feature is not working properly all the times.
You also have to know that it is not possible to navigate through multitrack recordings with BR (no fast forward or rewind).

I use BR to record and playback soundchecks but sometimes, I have to admit this feature is not working and no one knows why.

By the way, how do you guys (huub and others) route the audio to do virtual soundchecks ?
Do you "pass through" the multitrack recorder before going into the console ? or do you use other input layers for that ?
I know this will mostly depend on the console you use but I would be glad if you could share about that.

Thanks

Pascal

[huub]

I use the channel inserts, and when I go live, I turn off the inserts, just to be safe,

I find this to be the simplest way to work.. Only drawback is, if I want to insert analog compressors, I have to do this in a subgroup..

[philper]

I have used both Metacorder and Boom Recorder since they first were available. I have used Metacorder mostly, which has a few advantages over Boom Recorder, but is much more expensive. (It was updated to Mac SL right away, we are still waiting for an SL Boom Recorder.) The data entry is a little more straightforward in MC, as is the log-making, and playback is very simple--something that is not true in BR. Metacorder and Boom Recorder are very purpose-built apps, mostly for audio for video, in that they both have extensive TC functions. Metacorder can record to 3 media at the same time if you want, and is set up to go into record and stay there no matter what else the computer may decide it wants to be doing by way of housekeeping etc.. Both apps were designed to be very stable at up to about 24 tracks even on slow G4 laptops, and that has proven to be the case (I have gone 3.5 hrs+ many times in one go w/ 22 chan of 24/48 audio, external clock and TC on a 1 GHz G4 Powerbook). The price that was quoted for MC is not the "street price", but it is still a lot more expensive than Boom Recorder. BR requires that you use an analog input to get TC into the system (but will autosense which input is being used), MC allows use of the Mac's own audio input, which saves a channel. Both are clocked, as you might expect, by the convertor in use. If you lose power during a recording the recording will be fine up to the power loss and rescuable w/ Metacorder's "Temp File Fixer" app--this happened to me a few times (before I got a UPS). This has allowed us to run w/o a backup multitrack, required since our setups have to be very small and mobile (like on carts), and able to be moved w/o being shut down and taken apart. We also end up recording in ridiculously small spaces w/ VERY short setup time--keeping the case count down is a high priority.

Philip Perkins

[LX3]

Originally Posted by Indrestudios

It's funny, it seem like this conversation has come full circle back to the subject of Boom Recorder. LX3 - I think it does exactly what you're looking for: purpose-built, no-frills, super stable .wav recorder. I use it on a MacPro with an RME madi card and it has no problem recording 64 tracks to an internal SATA drive for hours and hours. The monitoring window shows all 64 channels and I actually prefer these meters to ProTools. Check it out.

-Michael

Thanks Michael, I did use BoomRecorder on and off a couple of years ago, and it worked ok, the concept is on the right track.

But there's no panning or level control or soloing for monitoring purposes. Even when just tracking a gig, I build a passable mix to listen to, and I'm continually checking tracks by soloing. Not really possible in BR.

[Indrestudios]

LX3 - We use Boom Recorder with RME's Totalmix software mixer, which I believe RME gives away for free. Granted no eq, or channel strip type controls, but it does offer levels, panning, etc. OK for a quick rough mix, or just to confirm that the signal is in the right place. That said, this machine is our backup to our main ProTools system - and I never do a gig without both of them running.