Changes to K&M 20800 Stand

[Audiop]

I bought another K&M 20800 stand the other day only to find out that there was some major changes to the design and not for the better IMO.

The legs are slightly shorter = less stable.
Legs are tubed = more resonant than the flat solid legs.
Body more resonant.
Wingnuts instead of round locking screws = less smooth adjustments in awkward positions.
Weight is lower (3.6kg) = less stable.

The looks is obviously different and I want one more of the originals to go with the one I already have.

Does anyone know if the original can be tracked down at some retailer?


Anyone that could consider trading against the new stand or selling their stand?


Jeans, shoes, micstand or whatever.. When you find something you like you should buy a truckload because the next time you won't find it. Why is it companies remove perfectly fine products from the market?



/Peter

[d_fu]

Originally Posted by Audiop

Jeans, shoes, micstand or whatever.. When you find something you like you should buy a truckload because the next time you won't find it.

Ain't that the truth...

[pschneider]

Originally Posted by Audiop

I bought another K&M 20800 stand the other day only to find out that there was some major changes to the design and not for the better IMO.

...
Does anyone know if the original can be tracked down at some retailer?

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/Peter

Have you checked Thomann?

K&M 20800 - Svensk International Cyberstore

According to the description, this is still the old version. Perhaps call in to find out if this is indeed the case. I've ordered my four 20800 about a year ago and I think I will keep them

Peter

[Audiop]

Hi, thanks!

Thomann displays the old stand but deliver the new.. :-( That's how I found out.

I will return the new stand and bye the bigger 20811 instead.. of which I also have one already.

With a little luck I will maybe find a used old 20800.

I also found out that K&M has a thread/adapter that fit the 21231 boom to 20800 stand. It can't be found anywhere (list or website) but if you ask for it they deliver.


/Peter

[JP__]

Originally Posted by Audiop

With a little luck I will maybe find a used old 20800.

Have a look at ebay, where I found my last in nearly new conditions...

Originally Posted by Audiop

I also found out that K&M has a thread/adapter that fit the 21231 boom to 20800 stand. It can't be found anywhere (list or website) but if you ask for it they deliver.

Something like this: K&M 215 Reduziergewinde ?

Jan

[JonesH]

Please accept my apoligies if this derails the thread.

I've used these stands but don't quite like them. Not tall enough for really high applications and way too visually intrusive. I'm using the K&M 260/8 which go to 3,25 m and have a round base. They are too unstable for use with boom or some decca arrangements though.

I've ordered two (actually three but Thomann couldn source three!) Manfrotto 307B stacker stands which I'll get in a week or so. I'll report back if they seem to be a good alternative to the 20800 stand. They are definitely higher anyhoo.

[Welkin]

Originally Posted by Audiop

I also found out that K&M has a thread/adapter that fit the 21231 boom to 20800 stand. It can't be found anywhere (list or website) but if you ask for it they deliver.

I think it's this one: König & Meyer 219 Reduziergewinde

[Audiop]

Originally Posted by Welkin

I think it's this one: König & Meyer 219 Reduziergewinde

Nope. As I said , the adapter can not be found and is only available via special order.


/Peter

[Audiop]

Originally Posted by JonesH

Please accept my apoligies if this derails the thread.

I've used these stands but don't quite like them. Not tall enough for really high applications and way too visually intrusive. I'm using the K&M 260/8 which go to 3,25 m and have a round base. They are too unstable for use with boom or some decca arrangements though.

I've ordered two (actually three but Thomann couldn source three!) Manfrotto 307B stacker stands which I'll get in a week or so. I'll report back if they seem to be a good alternative to the 20800 stand. They are definitely higher anyhoo.

I hear ya' :-)

To me the original 20800 is perfekt when you need stability but not necessarily as much as 20811 gives. 260/8 is nice but not an option for the 21231 boom.


I'll have a look at hose Manfrotto stands.

Lately the 20811 with 21231 have been used here and I really like it.


/Peter

[Kees de Visser]

Originally Posted by Audiop

I bought another K&M 20800 stand the other day only to find out that there was some major changes to the design and not for the better IMO.

Thanks for pointing that out. I've noticed too that K&M changes their design from time to time without changing the product number. My first 20811s were quite different from the ones I bought years later. BTW, I would never never put a heavy 21231 boom on a light 20800 stand. If you have the budget and the space in your car (180cm min.), go for the 20811 or another brand like Manfrotto.

When you find something you like you should buy a truckload because the next time you won't find it.

I can already see a huge smile on the face of the Steinway CEO :-)

[Audiop]

Hi!

Thanks for input.
Yes I have and use 20811 as well and will get at least one more.

I would not be worried using 21231 with 20800 but in critical situations with crowd nearby I'd go with 20811. 4kg is not that much

I can already see a huge smile on the face of the Steinway CEO :-)

:-)


/Peter

[Welkin]

Originally Posted by Audiop

Nope. As I said , the adapter can not be found and is only available via special order.


/Peter

This is from a K&M rep: "You can use 20800 K&M Overhead Microphone Stand in combination with our 21231 K&M boom arm.

-But therefore you need our K&M thread adapter 21900-208-01:
One side of the adapter is 3/8" which is for the Overhead Microphone Stand 20800.
The other end of the thread adapter is 1/2" which is for the boom arm 21231."

I suppose 219 is an abbreviation 21900-208-01. The inside of the 219 is 3/8" and the outside is 1/2" just as is stated above.

[Audiop]

Nope again! :-)

Same threads but different dimensions of the body.

The one seen at various websites is the
21900-000-01 and does not fit 21231.

The special part that can be ordered is
21900-208-01 and that one does fit 21231.



/Peter

[Welkin]

Originally Posted by Audiop

Nope again! :-)

Same threads but different dimensions of the body.

The one seen at various websites is the
21900-000-01 and does not fit 21231.

The special part that can be ordered is
21900-208-01 and that one does fit 21231.

/Peter

Well why didn't you say so in the first place. Does it have to be ordered to the store first or does K&M deliver such items straight to the customers?

[Audiop]

I ordered via a shop in my town and think that's the only way. :-)


/Peter

[JonesH]

First thoughts on using the manfrotto stacker stands; they are very light. I mean very light, fairly tall (short of 4 meters) and have no rubber feet. Gonna need weights and gaffer tape to hold'em down.

[Audiop]

I don't mind weight and that was one of the negatives about the new 20800 stand which I did return. There will be one more 20811 and likely one or a couple of 260/8. Will look at Manfrotto as well. I tried a Manfrotto tripod camera stand the other day and it seemed like very high quality.

Those "stacker stands", are those aluminum?


/Peter

[JonesH]

Originally Posted by Audiop

I don't mind weight /.../

Those "stacker stands", are those aluminum?
/Peter

They are aluminium, and they are very (too?) light.

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by Audiop

<snip>...Jeans, shoes, micstand or whatever.. When you find something you like you should buy a truckload because the next time you won't find it. Why is it companies remove perfectly fine products from the market?

/Peter

That's the story of my life and mindset; I've been doing this for decades with (pretty much) everything I buy...

I'm serious, if I like a particular shirt, I'll buy at least two or three of them.
Same goes with shoes, jeans, all sorts of stuff; it's just how I roll.
Even, jackets and sometimes coats.
Believe it or not I need a bedroom just for my clothes.

I'm the same way with equipment and such...

Someone said to me just the other day that I seem to have more parts in stock than most hardware stores.
It's obviously not completely true, but it does seem that way.
My response to that was that sometimes we work 24/7 and "Home Depot" is not open 24/7 in our area anymore.

All I can say is, sometimes things just have to get done!

My cousin back in to day when we were in our twenties used to say, "if I don't have it, it isn't made."
It was almost true; I really do stock all sorts of goodies.

About ten years ago or so, based off of the mindset that if I don't have it, it's not made, my friend Glenn Davis from ESP New York and I were playing a game...

He was to guess or pick a piece of audio gear in the hope that I don't have it in stock.
I remember after a few futile tries, he said, I know something you don't have...

I said, "what's that?" He said, "an RTA w/ calibration mic."
I said, "that's an easy one; there's one right behind you."
He turned around and just flipped out.
We had a ball with that; Too be honest, I'm sure he he tried a bit harder he would have found a boat load of stuff I didn't have...



Or, maybe not.

[gareth.h.rees]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

He was to guess or pick a piece of audio gear in the hope that I don't have it in stock.

We should play this now..!

I have some Beyerdynamic CV710 mics with CK703 capsules. Not too obscure?