Midas joins Music Group

[mixedupsteve]

Pro Sound News Europe - Behringer holding company acquires Midas

[nigel saunders]

Originally Posted by mixedupsteve

Pro Sound News Europe - Behringer holding company acquires Midas

Oh No!
I really like my midas venice!

[John Willett]

They also get Klark Teknik as well

[fifthcircle]

Lets just hope that Music Group bought it to upgrade their brand. Hopefully Midas won't become another Behringer.

--Ben

[acca]

Oh my God...

[rumleymusic]

Lets just hope that Music Group bought it to upgrade their brand.

I'm sure that is the case. Hopefully it will make Behringer better. Just think positive.

[hbphotoav]

Or... it could be that since they already ripped off the 320 with their XL3200 (...?), they want to move on to the big boys... and avoid a lawsuit...? Or maybe just give their low-end brands a cred boost, like Peavey tried to do several years ago with the Crest acquisition.

You be the judge...

[Bob Ross]

just shoot me...

[Jim vanBergen]

Another pair of good companies down the toilet.

You can't buy street cred when you're Uli Behringer.

[Roland]

In fairness, my personal view is that neither of these companies have been anywhere in the last couple of years. Midas are making ludicrously priced digital live desks, Klark Technik, seem only to be providing the digital tech know-how for this. Audio companies that wish to survive, IMHO, have to be providing kit that is relevant and at a price point to meet the current market demands, In my view this is where they fail.

Regards


Roland

[Roland]

Originally Posted by Jim vanBergen

Another pair of good companies down the toilet.

You can't buy street cred when you're Uli Behringer.

We all sit and point, but pretty much all of us own or have owned pieces of his (other peoples?) kit. In my book that makes us all as guilty as him. Truth is muchof it works fine, at a price we can all afford.

Roland

[hbphotoav]

Originally Posted by Roland

We all sit and point, but pretty much all of us own or have owned pieces of his (other peoples?) kit. In my book that makes us all as guilty as him. Truth is muchof it works fine, at a price we can all afford.

Roland

Agreed. I've owned AutoComs, the 8-mix headphone amps and the 1st gen digital EQ. The EQ pretty much sucked, from a reliability perspective... but the AutoComm and headphone amp work well, every week, and at a great price, in a live setting.

But the reverse engineering and the overt ergonomics and "look-and-feel" of competitor's products leave me a bit cold... vis-a-vis the Xenix XL3200.

Hmmmm...

[jude]

really looking forward to buying an XL4 pro and a few ultra DN360's soon

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by Roland

We all sit and point, but pretty much all of us own or have owned pieces of his (other peoples?) kit. In my book that makes us all as guilty as him.

Speak for yourself - I never have and never will own a piece of his kit.

[memphisindie]

Welcome to HELL!!!

I've owned two pieces of UB stuff and BOTH of them arrived BROKEN with MULTIPLE problems, intermttent stuff, 180 phase reversal of one mix out channel, one side of tone control nonfunctional on multiple channels, Battery operation didn't work at all ever, brand new!PIECES OF CRAP!
If the ruin Midas, I give up.
Mackie aquires EAW,
Now this,
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[valthesoundman]

I really really hope Midas and KT don't lose on their quality within all this!!

Nothing, and I mean nothing beats an XL4, for live in my opinion, and the Heritage 2000 is a desk I have come to love and count on in many a situation.

I can almost understand that brands like this need to push down-market a little, times are hard, and consumer markets are profitable when the R&D is already payed for. I can only wish that it doesn't spike their reputation or take anything away from the extreme reliability of this level of gear.


As far as Beringbeeuuururururururrurrrrrk is concerned, funnily enough, I always managed to stay away from it until recently. I purchased a BCF remote fader control from my local supplier, begging him (jokingly) not to tell any of my colleagues that also purchase from there, that I'd bought some Beringher from him.
I only needed it for the occasional automation, when riding the fader is better than drawing stuff out, and I couldn't justify the price of a mackie control or a command8.
Well, so I take it home, unwrap, install, and guess what?....didn't work!
I can let you imagine the face of my retailer when I walked in 2 hours later with the box. So he opened it up and it turns out one of the ribbons wasn't in properly. So he fixed it and it's worked fine (almost) since.
But really, these guys boast about quality control etc, but for it to not work out of the box... really, not impressed.

I'm staying away from their stuff for ever after...

Please please please pleeeeeease, don't ruin Midas and KT......

[rumleymusic]

pretty much all of us own or have owned pieces of his

No! Never Happened!. I never owned a Composer Pro, or MiniAMP or B2-Pro LDC, or 802 Mixer! Nope, Never Did! La La La.. I Cant Hear You! LA LA LA!

[acca]

Originally Posted by Roland

In fairness, my personal view is that neither of these companies have been anywhere in the last couple of years. Midas are making ludicrously priced digital live desks, Klark Technik, seem only to be providing the digital tech know-how for this. Audio companies that wish to survive, IMHO, have to be providing kit that is relevant and at a price point to meet the current market demands, In my view this is where they fail.

Regards


Roland

I have to disagree.
IMHO XL8 and PRO6 are pretty good consoles and they cost just like any high-end live console. Remember that you're buying a Midas digital system (comprising console, splitters, digital snake, etc.) not just a mixer and that they're way better quality-wise than Digi's VENUE consoles. The only contendent they have now is Digico SD family.

[starfighter]

Come on guys...

This is like LOUD buying Martin Audio; did Martin go down the toilet?

What about all the corporate Harman stuff? I would say some pretty good gear came out of that...

No one's saying the R&D guys from Behringer are going to start designing MIDAS stuff or vice versa.

Fact of the matter is that neither MIDAS nor Klark have been making a lot of money lately and Bosch doesn't want to own those brands anymore...

Not a lot of people that can just muster up the cash and buy those companies...

M

[bishopthomas]

You're actually saying that the XL8 is comparable in price to a VI6, D1, D5, Venue, etc? Whether the quality justifies the price is a different discussion, but you seem to be saying that they're in the same price range as the above mentioned consoles.

[soupking]

I just hope the positive people on this website are right.

Actually, what do I care? I just upgraded my Venice from a 160 to a used 240.

Works like a champ. If not, screw 'em.

The competition's out there. Just visit any pro audio website.

Peace,
-souper fellow

[bee]

Originally Posted by hbphotoav

Or... it could be that since they already ripped off the 320 with their XL3200 (...?), they want to move on to the big boys... and avoid a lawsuit...? Or maybe just give their low-end brands a cred boost, like Peavey tried to do several years ago with the Crest acquisition.

You be the judge...

Wow, That's crazy. I love the Midas Venice.

[Roland]

Originally Posted by acca

I have to disagree.
IMHO XL8 and PRO6 are pretty good consoles and they cost just like any high-end live console. Remember that you're buying a Midas digital system (comprising console, splitters, digital snake, etc.) not just a mixer and that they're way better quality-wise than Digi's VENUE consoles. The only contendent they have now is Digico SD family.

I have to vehemently disagree with this. I can't argue the quality of the XL8 I haven't used it, however, I do know that price wise it is considerably more than any of the offerings from the other major players. In the UK a group of 7 companies clubbed together to buy just one, someone I know was offered in on the deal, he declined. He told me that he had three issues, firstly that he felt the console was more Klark Tecknik than Midas, secondly that although well made, he felt the way it was constructed wouldn't hold up to the rigors of life on the road and thirdly he couldn't justify it's cost, being that much higher than anything else on the market.

As to the quality of the Venue console, I own one, and have used many digital consoles including Digico, Yamaha, Sony, Studer. On sonics alone the Studer edges everything else, though not by much. I've used Digico's in critical recording environments and they are good, I've also been able (having owned one) evaluate the Venue in a controlled environment and sonically it's pretty much pristine, (read close enough to the Studer Vista 8 that it wouldn't bother me). the things that swung the purchase on the Venue for me, were, sound quality, the levels of endorsement by many really respected industry people, and the quality of onboard effects. The verbs for example, are the same as used in Pro Tools and you can instantly recognize them as you hear them all over pretty much every major record that hit's the charts these days. Couple that with the fact of being able to use industry standard TDM plugin's, gives you more options than you would ever really have the opportunity to use live. Anecdotally, I saw a show with British act Goldfrapp, FOH was run on Venue, outside of the mix itself, the complexity of the sound would have been very difficult or near on impossible on an analogue desk. My only gripe with Digico is the limited effects options, that is without using racks of outboard.

Back on the Midas topic, to my knowledge I don't know of any other XL8's in the UK apart from the one mentioned above, I suspect that Bosch are very happy to be moving the company on. As for XL4's etc, the general view I am aware of from PA company people I've spoken too is that they are happy with the level of Midas analogue desks they already own, and are only really interested in the odd spare module. I suspect the market for new analogue desks is very small, particularly bearing in mind the economic situation at present.

Regards


Roland