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| Gear nut Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Örebro, Sweden
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Just did a REALLY bad gig tonight and need you to share some of your horror stories in order to make me feel better. Shoot!
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| Gear maniac Joined: Oct 2009 Location: Tarzana, CA
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| Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2005 Location: USA
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Ok, I got one. I do sound at a place in town that usually does rock shows. Well this night was a rap show. Every artist was bringing me CD-Rs with their beats/backing tracks. 4th act hits the stage, for whatever reason our CD player didn't like their disc, so about 20 seconds in, the track starts skipping and the guys on stage are bouncing bouncing bouncing... I stopped the disc and checked it out, wiped it-- looked clean. Popped it back in, still skip skip skip, then I hear "Hey DJ, skip to the next track. Um, ok... next track, 10 seconds in and skippity skip skip... then "Hey DJ, next track!" Me: Umm... I'm pretty sure that's not going to work, here goes: skip skip skip... The owner was on top of it, he showed up at the board with a different CD player and the disc played fine. A few people in the audience were giving me the stink-eye. Did they really think I was causing the track to skip?
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| Gear nut Joined: Oct 2008 Location: Cedar Rapids
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ran sound for a college vocal ensemble -- house system didn't have sufficient inputs, so we ran a board to the back of the auditorium. sound check went fine, levels were all set, taped down the snake and monitor cables along the aisles. showtime comes, singers retrieve their mics on stage, conductor starts...and nothing through the mains. i'm getting sound to the board, but not to the monitors. the auditorium is pretty packed, i keep getting people (most likely parents of the students singing) staring back at me as i'm trying not to panic. the ensemble looks completely ridiculous holding mics with no amplification. not a fun time. end of the show during strike, i find what i knew to be the problem -- an audience member either tripped over or foot-f**ked apart one of my connections. what's worse...it ended being only eight feet to my left, one row up, in an aisle i probably should have taped off, despite my best efforts securing all the cable. made me wanna .
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Mixing a band opening for The Police at a stadium...last year?...nothing really specific other than the fact that my mix was horrible and my band stunk up the stage... I just couldn't get anything to sit right.....not a great time to throw a stinker...especially when some of the best in the business are standing around watching to see how you'll do....there was something going on with the crossover point being higher than normal (200Hz I think???) to the old Clair boxes flying beside the line array and I probably should have paid more attention to what the tech was telling me and sent everything to the subs just to be safe...anyway..a hard one to take...
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| Gear addict Joined: Oct 2009
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Semen milkshake.
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| Gear nut Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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This happened a few weeks ago. I started typing and it ended up a bit longer than i had expected My friends band was playing at this at this venue i had worked at a year before filling in as the house guy. I was talking to the guitarist and he was saying that he didnt give a shit about the gig, just wanted to get it over with. The sound on the night wasnt amazing so i asked him if maybe they wanted me to mix them. All the guys in the band were cool with it, so after the band before them had finished i went behind the desk and had a chat to the the sound guy. Turns out that he was just asked to mix the gig by one of the other bands, and introduced me to the REAL sound guy (or sound girl in this case). So im getting to know the desk again (a Yamaha LS9), figuring out where everything is patched into, the guys are setting up on stage. I set a few levels etc. The gig was running about 15-20 minutes behind schedule, and the the house sound girl was telling me 'you gotta get these guys on stage, they were sposed to start 15 minutes ago', to which im thinking 'well, gee thats not my problem, i guess you should have been on the ball'. Everyone is ready on stage and this lady is still telling me how i have to get them on quick and i say to her 'Ok, they are ready, wheres the house music so i can turn it of and start the gig', to which she is STILL pointing at the running order and telling me to get them on stage. So i say again 'how do i turn off the house music, which again, she ignores and tells me about how they cant play for very long and that i need to get them on and off as soon as possible. Finally, i snapped and said 'ok, i get it, how do i turn off the house music!' She finally pointed at the right fader on the desk. The band started playing. The house lady disappeared. Everything sounded like a big pile of mud. I was turning up the gain on the vocal channels, nothing was coming out. There was feedback coming out from one of the wedges. They finish the first song and something stats feeding back through front of house. A big, big cluster****. I do like digital desks, but in the situation where you are not THAT familiar with them or the room, they become a big problem. To make a long story slightly longer, the compressors and gates on the channels were causing me mega grief. For example, the threshold on one of my vocal channels was set very low and it wasnt until i had about 50dB of gain in the preamp and i heard a slight distorted voice come out of the PA that i realized what was going on. The foldback was rooted. I was in such a rush to get them on that i didnt get a change to get anything happening except for putting a bit of vocals in the singers wedge. And of course after hearing something feedback i became very conservative of what i did put in the wedges. Anyway, it didnt get better. They finished the set and i felt like crap. I shouldnt have bothered. They were all pretty cool about it, but they wont be eager for me to help out again in the near future. Funny thing is, Monday morning i get a message from the guy who owns the PA asking me if i wanted to fill in the next weekend at that same venue. I politely declined. |
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| Gear nut Joined: Sep 2005 Location: CT
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I did a quick mic check at a football field a few years back and leaned against the chain link fence w/a 58 pressed against my lips and got a nice CL & P Hello.......
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| Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: I left my heart, in...
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I'll share, just to make you feel better. Mid 80's, for some reason I was asked to do sound for a big punk show at the On Broadway in SF. I wasn't even old enough to be there, but i know my way around a four track and and so there I was. Band started, everything was different than the controlled soundcheck. Nothing sounded right, audience was yelling at me to turn it up, club owner ran up to the board and pushed all the faders to max. Everyone was happy. Well, almost everyone.
__________________ -David R. "An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way." - C. Bukowski |
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| Gear nut Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Örebro, Sweden
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Thanks for all the stories, made me feel like I wasn't the only one that have had a bad night. Three bands were playing at a mid size venue, each band had an engineer each. I was running a girl band playing some softer metal. Soundcheck went fine, everything went smoothly, both the band and I were satisfied. Before the band were to get on the stage, some dude who claimed to be the their manager got up and started fiddling with the amps and mics (I later found out that the band knew too little about setting up their own stuff so they got this guy to do it). I checked the mics but left the amps alone, assuming that the guy knew what he was doing (I specifically told them to use the same settings as they did in the soundcheck). The band got up, started playing and everything was sh**. The amps were at wierd levels (one was loud as hell and the other one was silent as a lamb). The mics were switched all over the place and I had no control whatsoever. Apparently the "manager" had fiddled with the stagebox. Why, I do not know. It took me about 5 min to get everything in the right channel and another 5 to make it sound ok. During these 10 mins the "manager" stood behind me, screaming that I was a good for nothing twat. The last 2 songs ended up ok, although the backing vocals were gone. I later realized that the previous band had threwn the mics in the floor, braking them completely. Luckily, it was just a 30 min show, so I was able to flee the scene relatively quick. |
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| Gear Head Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Herenthout,Belgium
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Oh man in about one hour I have to do a live show, and I going to **** up, hate doing live.
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| Gear nut Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Örebro, Sweden
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mine is not that bad as some of yours, but once I made feedback on FOH so loud (on a singer that want monitors LOUDER - I tried to add gain when I ran out of fader) that singer forgot lyrics for about 15 seconds.
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| 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: May 2009 Location: SJCap
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Hey Dude...welcome to the wonderful world of live sound...you just have to look at that one like a learning experience...next time, you'll make sure that doesn't happen. Good luck.
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| Gear maniac Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Mattoon, IL
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i've done lot's of live sound but my worst was a pentecostal revival at the local national guard armory. let me start by saying i am an atheist, but i have no issues working with religious people and have had many great experiences. i soundchecked and everything was fine....a common theme here it seems. a few awesome vocal groups performed...no problems. then the preacher got up and started his passionate sermon....people were passing out (or at least appeared to be), speaking in tongues etc. just when the preacher got to the point where veins were popping out and his face was turning purple....nothing...no sound but a faint echo through the armory hall. i run up to the power amp running the mains and see that it has shut down. i hit reset and the pa comes back to life. problem solved i thought...but it continued to do this every 5 minutes for the next hour! everytime it shut down it was me (the young, green atheist) running 100 ft. up in front of 400 or so practitioners in the heat of religious passion hitting the reset button and running back to the console. awkward moment is an understatement! later, i looked at how i had hooked up the power amp. the outputs were neutrik only (new to me at the time) and normally amp outputs are from left to right: left, bridge, right. this amp (some crappy fender spa13000 or something) was arranged left, right, bridge. i had inadvertently hooked into left and bridge placing a load on the amp it couldn't handle thus causing it to overheat. later on the preacher, perhaps seeing an opportunity, gave me his business card and invited me for pizza. i got the hell out of there as quick as i could. |
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| Lives for gear Joined: May 2005 Location: Millbrook, NY
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| My stint with the Loaf..
Ok, you guys are gonna love this.... Sometime in the early 80's I was asked to do sound for Meatloaf. His regular guy was busy for a few months, and they asked me if I would fill in. Since it wasn't a real extended tour, just scattered dates over the course of a few months, I said yeah. No biggie easy gig, good music, decent pay, and a few of the players in the band were friends of mine... So fine I'll do it. A few days before the first show, I receive a cassette of a previous live gig, that supposedly has all the cues for me to learn, solo's background parts, including the Phil Rizzuto skit, etc, etc. So I talk to Meat and he tells me, Paul really listen to the tape and learn all the stuff that's exactly what the show is every night. Ok cool....So I spend the better part of a week, listening taking notes, learning everything as it appeared on the cassette. OK, on to the show, number one. Some ritzy place in Long Island, forgot the name, but it's quite well known. Sound check goes great, everything is cool... Showtime. Place is sold out, band is crankin...so far so good. Yeah. Everything is going great, well, except for the fact I have Meat's (now Ex) Wife Leslie Loaf, yelling in my ear, make this louder, lower this, I can't hear this, do that. I have to keep my cool, after all it's the boss's wife right? Anyhow, so now comes the audio cue I was told to learn by Meat and the management for the start of the Phil Rizzuto bit. Had the cassette wound to the exact start (yes Phil was on cassette) and in pause ready to go.... 1, 2, 3, and away we go....hit the pause button, that famous bit with Phil blasts through the PA, I'm in my glory, every is fine.... UNTIL, Meat screams through the mic, Paul NO......NOT NOW~! I'm not sure I can put into words the feeling that came over me at that moment. (Think The incredible shrinking man) When the audience turns around to look at the sound man...instead of the performers. On top of this I got Leslie Loaf yelling in my left ear...what did you do, didn;t you listen to the tape.....yada, yada, yada.. We finished the show, everything else went as planned, but for the life of me, I still wondered what I had done wrong? I did exactly what had been on the cassette. Go figure. Ok, show's done. At this point I figure it's the end of my stint with Meat, so instead of staying that night in the hotel they had booked for me, I might as well just drive the three hours home and get ready for the berating that will most certainly happen the next day... Next day comes and goes, nothing, then the next, still nothing from anyone in the Meat camp? Hummmmm.. Well, 4 days after this incident there was another show booked, and this one was literally 20 minutes away from my house at The Chance in Poughkeepsie NY. So I figure, what the hell, I might as well take the ride, see what happens, and if they tell me to get the hell out, no biggie right. So I go to the show, mic everything up, do sound check, etc... Still not a word. At this point I guess Im doing the damn show...No one said anything to me.. So now, I'm getting ready to leave the venue, gonna go home for a few hours, and come back later for the show. As I walk off the stage, I hear Meat voice, and he says.... Paul come here, I wanna talk to ya. Ahha... So finally here it comes.... He says to me, listen about the other night. I know we all told ya to use the tape as your cue for Phil, but we didn't realize that the performance we gave you was from an OLD edited show. And just recently we went went to a visual cue since the length of the jam might change every night. So the new cue for Phil is when I lift Elaine Goff's leg... Sorry bout that. Vindicated. So I wasn't wrong after all. Then we shake hands, and I go to walk off the stage, and he says, by the way... You know some of my best friends were at that show the other night...... they told me it was the best I've sounded in years! Thanks, we're glad to have you onboard. Now wait till Leslie Loaf opens her damn mouth again. Continued working with Meat for many months... Had a blast with him and the gang. Great guy, and really a great gig. That being said Still, to this day, I have nightmares about that night.........................
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| Gear addict Joined: Sep 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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I was working an opening act for "The Outlaws" at the Caberet in Santa Clara, CA., early 90's. Just before they go on I have the urge to suddenly evacuate my bowels. I run into the rest room, put beer on top of toilet roll dispenser. As I stand up I knock full cup of beer into crotch of underwear and leather pants; KER SPLASH! At this exact moment I hear my name being called to man my battle station. I pull up underwear and pants with one big brave heave, beer running down legs into shoes, etc. Did the set with extremely cold, beer soaked underwear and leather pants. The show must go on!
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| Gear addict Joined: Sep 2006 Location: london/berlin
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I´m very seldom doing live jobs but sometimes it´s fun and so I don´t want to miss this. So I did a show with a pretty cool cover band at the Bayreuth Wagner Festival with the family Wagner as guests and a very big audience. Soundcheck was fine, I was working with the Bands Tascam DM24 which I knew very well at that time. With the build in firewire card I could do a multi track recording of the show with a connected mac book. So showtime was going to come and I settled at the desk when I realized, that it wasn´t responding. No problem I thought, because I knew the desk was a little bit picky but has a reset command with three buttons. So I did, but nothing changed. I became a bit nervous and tried it again. Nothing. I tried different things. Nothing. Sweat appeared on my forehead. The bandleader came as he realized my problems. He owned the desk and asked me if tried this and that...of course I already tried all of it. More people gathered around the desk. Some more engineers and technicians. They all asked me the same questions over and over again and I started to despair... finaly the show manager appeared and said: "If we DO NOT start NOW it´s all going to f**k up!" Then I decided for one last act of desperation: I pulled the firewire cable out of the desk... And *snap* desk worked! Show went brilliant! But I do -not ever- use one of those again in my life!
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1995, Edwyn Collins, who just had a hit with "girl like you", is due to play at our venue in the middle of Switzerland. I'm babysitting FOH, my very capable apprentice is at the monitor desk. Mr. C. has an MTV interview to take care of in London and can only be here for showtime. Come showtime, the star is unsatisfied with the monitor sound, keeps asking for it to be turned up, up, up. And not only he complains, he even starts to insult the poor monitor guy. For anyone familliar with the tech side of showbiz it's obvious where the real problem is: center stage. At the end of the show, Collins starts to play his hit song, which features a very important melody on full-fuzz guitar...the one instrument that hadn't been soundchecked. He hits the fuzz pedal and ... BAM!, a pair of blasting Marting wedges fill the stage and venue with an orgy of uncontrolled feedback, due to the tweeters being picked up by the guitar PU's, thru the fuzz, back thru the monitors, etc... But he has to keep playing the ****ing song, it's hit hit single, the reason he got booked in the 1st place. All the while, me and the rest of the local crew are rolling with laughter in front of the stage. ...the harder they fall
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| Gear nut Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia
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The worst thing was that we were setup in a corner of the Gym. The PA wasnt that big, again some powered Mackies (2x15's and a horn), 2 either side and some subs. It sounded fine if you stood in front of it, but we had 3 basketball courts to cover with this one PA. I had to run it so loud to try and throw to the back that if you got within a few meters of the stage it ripped your ears off. I felt so bad for the punters, i tried to keep it low when i could but the organizers kept telling me to turn it up. | |
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| Gear nut Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Örebro, Sweden
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you all have some great stories! some of them defenitaly got me feeling better, haha! doing a gig next saturday, so I hope that one works out fine.. anyways, lets keep this thread alive, its great fun to read and share stories!
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| Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2008 Location: san francisco
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i'll share some when i have more time to type but had to say i love hearing all these!
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| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Vegas, Norcal
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Late 80s Texas Jam at the Cotton Bowl in front of 84,000 people. We were playing in front of Boston, Aerosmith, and Whitesnake. Showco had emptied out their warehouse to do this huge show, and because of it we had mic stands that were falling apart and falling over, we got next to last pick on that. The techs on stage didn't really seem to care about my bands needs. After I finally got decent mic positions, I waded through the crowd and got back to the FOH console. As a tech was line checking, my band suddenly started to play their set, nothing was coming through the house PA. I was tapping the guy on the shoulder and he kept waving me off, oblivious to what was actually going on. I finally grabbed him by the shoulders and moved him aside. I quickly built a mix and finally had a pretty good show, no thanks to the sound company. Before the show I had been met by the president of Showco, he was schmoozing me to get a shot at a blockbuster tour that I was helping with the audio pre-production on. When he met with me after the show and asked how it went, I told him what had happened. As I was telling him, a very prominent engineer that was his crew chief for the event heard me, immediately started to push me around and threaten to pretty much kick my ass. He tried to deny what had happened, and try to cover his own ass. Mind you, this was my first year of big time touring, I was flustered, to make matters worse I looked about ten years younger than I was, few took me seriously until they heard me mix back then. Needless to say they didn't get the tour. The good news was when I saw that engineer a couple of years later at one of my shows, he apologized and praised my accomplishments. He even invited me to his favorite club at his expense. I guess my point is that good things usually come out of bad eventually.
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| Gear Head Joined: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles
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I was a recording student in the mid 80's and was back home for break and my high school friends band was playing a party at someone's house and asked me to run the p.a. I was using an old Peavey powered board and just doing a basic mix. The party and "stage" were outside in a parking lot and there was no place to setup the mixer so all we could do was put it on the ground. Thank God!!!! I pack up, leaving in a daze only to discover someone has stolen my brand new winter coat. That's why whenever anyone asks me to do live sound for them I cringe and refer them out. |
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Hey, some funny stories here guys. I'm only just starting out doing some very small live shows. This show, the guy that normally runs the show, let me run it. I was a bit nervous, but was confident that I could do it. He failed to tell me it was like an end of year school performance. The first band amps, are feedbacking of their heads, and I couldnt turn them down, then the crowd wouldnt be able to hear them. Also during their last song the singers mic starts cutting out. I run up start testing the connections, and it starts buzzing and crackling really loud through FOH. So I just ripp it out of the stage box and replace the lead. With a very loud bang, Then there was this acoustic band, who had guitars, but one of there acoustics was missing the plastic battery cap that held the battery. And he wouldn't play without this guitar. So I go to mic him up, thinking it will be alright, sing it was an acoustic band. Feedback like crazy. Then 15 minutes behind he finaly gets a guitar, and then im not getting any signal at the board. I run up to him tell him, to test the battery. Battery is fine. In the end he unplugged the di and plugged it in wrong. Big loud crack when that happened. During all this, these school girls have cd's they have to sing to. And were in my ear the whole time, tell me what they need. But rather then putting there 8 songs on one cd in order. They have there songs on different cd's, with other tracks. And the CD changer seizes up, so i shoved it really hard it it finally works. One really bad night, to show someone that your alright to work the desk. |
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| Gear nut Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Örebro, Sweden
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The feedback happened because no-one cared to check that exact guitar/fuzz/stage volume combination during soundcheck. As to the reasons for THAT... It's my opinion that, if the artist can't/won't be present at soundcheck, there should be at least 1 person in their crew intimately familiar with their monitor requirements. | |
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