Problems with sound-on-sound record on ampex F44

ampexF44 · 25th September 2009

hi
i have ampex f44.

i want to make sound on sound records.

but recorder doesnt copy data from channel 1 to channel 2.
interesting thing is that it can copy data from channel 2 to channel 1.

what do you think can be the reason?

i'll explain
sticker on the case cover says: "To record sound on sound, first use mono 1 position, then add 1>2 position, then add 2>1 position, etc"

i did exactly as it says.

for first record take - i used mono 1 position - everything is ok,
RECORDED DATA IS ON CHANNEL 1.

for second record take - i used 1>2 position AND RECORDER DOESNT COPY TAKE 1 FROM CHANNEL 1 TO CHANNEL 2, it only records take 2 to channel 2.

so after step 1>2 first take is in channel 1 alone, and second take is in channel 2 also alone.
it shouldnt be so.. both 1 and 2 takes should be on channel 2

how can i fix it?

ampexF44 · 26th September 2009

btw can anyone give me Ampex F44 schematics?

**Remoteness** · 29th September 2009

Vintage Stereo Service Manuals, Marantz, Akai, Teac, Sony, etc
$8.50 for the service manual.

Parts Sources for Ampex Buffs
Parts resource for Ampex machines

Ampex, F-44
The Audio Circuit may be able to help you.

Rick Sutton · 29th September 2009

I had an f44 way back. It was not intuitive to use in the manner you are trying. Yes it is supposed to work but I distinctly remember being frustrated with it and turning to other machines to accomplish the "sound on sound" thing. It is a lot easier with 2 machines and bouncing back and forth. Sorry I couldn't help but it has been close to 40 years since I had the machine.

ampexF44 · 1st October 2009

thanks a lot for respond guys!

i recently got acquintance of one man who knows a lot about old ampex
machines, he helped me with advice..

btw Rick, can you tell me what vintage machines you suppose to be intuitive for sound on sound recording?

25th September 2009	#1
ampexF44 Gear interested Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 3 Thread Starter	Problems with sound-on-sound record on ampex F44 hi i have ampex f44. i want to make sound on sound records. but recorder doesnt copy data from channel 1 to channel 2. interesting thing is that it can copy data from channel 2 to channel 1. what do you think can be the reason? i'll explain sticker on the case cover says: "To record sound on sound, first use mono 1 position, then add 1>2 position, then add 2>1 position, etc" i did exactly as it says. for first record take - i used mono 1 position - everything is ok, RECORDED DATA IS ON CHANNEL 1. for second record take - i used 1>2 position AND RECORDER DOESNT COPY TAKE 1 FROM CHANNEL 1 TO CHANNEL 2, it only records take 2 to channel 2. so after step 1>2 first take is in channel 1 alone, and second take is in channel 2 also alone. it shouldnt be so.. both 1 and 2 takes should be on channel 2 how can i fix it?

29th September 2009	#3
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ampexF44 Gear interested Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 3 Thread Starter	btw can anyone give me Ampex F44 schematics?

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Rick Sutton Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2003 Location: Atascadero, CA Posts: 4,058	I had an f44 way back. It was not intuitive to use in the manner you are trying. Yes it is supposed to work but I distinctly remember being frustrated with it and turning to other machines to accomplish the "sound on sound" thing. It is a lot easier with 2 machines and bouncing back and forth. Sorry I couldn't help but it has been close to 40 years since I had the machine.

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ampexF44 Gear interested Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 3 Thread Starter	thanks a lot for respond guys! i recently got acquintance of one man who knows a lot about old ampex machines, he helped me with advice.. btw Rick, can you tell me what vintage machines you suppose to be intuitive for sound on sound recording?