Steve (Your Mod) is censoring your info

[memphisindie]

I've met Steve, in my formative years, and he impressed me as a man in ruthless pursuit of excellence from himself, and very patient with others.
Nick, you and I have the same problem, you get hooked like a fish on a line by an acid post and it elicits a response from you that is not as well thought out as it should be, without much consideration for others feelings, we react, and I surmise that you don't consciously hold your own feelings as important, since you can't put them in a case and sell them for money, and I get that, but, we have to be careful not to offend the sensibilities of our community, we just do. I accept that, and I may make a mistake sometime, but, Nick, you have plenty of good stuff to contribute, what Steve is saying, IMO, is that what you have to say is no more valuable than how you address this community, people don't like to get offended, because none of us are omnipotent on this forum, there are duplicate opinions for every opinion here. That's how we find our kindred peeps here, what makes this so valuable. Steve is trying to keep this forum from descending into a place where flames rule. You are valuable, I've seen you post some great stuff without getting hooked. I think you should work on it and stay, that's my 2 cents on this.

[Jim vanBergen]

Nick, you have a lot to offer, but you have to accept that some of your posts have a serious sharp edge to them. I don't agree with some things you say, but I rarely point that out, as we all have different opinions, and yours are usually quite valid. Some things you & I agree about 100%, and I don't feel the need to waste people's times with a "+1" to every post, either.

This thread, in itself, is offensive to me. I can't believe you actually started this thread. You are entitle to your opinion, but...it makes many of us wonder.

As far as Steve goes...he's the moderator.
Steve has a history of doing what is BEST for the FORUM, it has nothing to do with his personal concerns or preferences. Moderators are saddled with a LOT of responsibility for the topics and all members.

I have never had a post deleted by Steve, but have regretted and deleted some of my own. I think we ALL need to be more aware of the concept of "community" and that this is not a place to spout BS or personal attacks.

I feel that many of your posts (including this thread) are personal attacks. Steve speaks in plain english, and when trying to be quite fair, you accuse him of many insults, which I just don't see.

The RULES for GS state clearly the objectives and outline proper behavior. When there are inappropriate posts, it's our job to bring them to the moderator and request them to be removed and/or the offending party warned or blocked.

I'm trying to see your perspective on this, really I am. But I have read so many of your posts that are over the top, and pushing, bending, breaking the rules for our posts, I'm really not sure why you want to stay here if you're so unhappy.

Whether or not you agree, none of us should ever behave like a troll. If we do, we should have our posts banned and be warned, or blocked.

We've had more than our share of trolls on GS, and Remote Possibilities is the best forum, I feel, as far as signal to noise. Let's please keep it that way!

JvB

[d_fu]

Originally Posted by Jim vanBergen

Nick, you have a lot to offer, but you have to accept that some of your posts have a serious sharp edge to them. I don't agree with some things you say, but I rarely point that out, as we all have different opinions, and yours are usually quite valid. Some things you & I agree about 100%, and I don't feel the need to waste people's times with a "+1" to every post, either.

Originally Posted by joelpatterson

On the other hand, it's said that every forum needs its villiage idiots, and some people are perfect... like, a lifetime of study have gotten them to that point...

Two rather different ways of dealing with the situation and the OP's comments. Need I say which I consider more appropriate? I sometimes find the way that forum members will unite to segragate others (often in insulting ways) a bit worrying (regardless of whether these persons' behaviour was really inappropriate or not). Reminds me of a school playground.

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

and actually, I saw no "question before us" ... I saw an angry statement from a troublemaker. thumbsup

Without openly talking about names, these things happen, don't they?
Sometimes people speak their mind. I find your comment a tad hypocritical.

[Teddy Ray]

response deleted

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

Teddy's quote was deleted by your Remoteness for obvious reasons.

Way to take the high road... and not engage him... and not respond... and bit your tongue..

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

Way to take the high road... and not engage him... and not respond... and bit your tongue..

Yes,you are right. I shouldnt have responded to the baiting. My apologies, Steve(and the board)

[Jim vanBergen]

Sometimes I find it's really good to be able to go back and delete posts I regret writing in a moment of anger or frustration.

[resound]

I'm amazed that these conversations are still going on. I've spent very little time here over the past several months due to all the drama about "drama"; we may even be past the meta stage now to some greater level of abstraction.

There's still good exchanges to be had but I find the signal to noise ratio from the discussion of conflict far louder than the actual noise floor, lest I'm just not reading all the threads full of nasty invective, heretical accusations, and insults against each other's mothers.

Oy....

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Jim vanBergen

Sometimes I find it's really good to be able to go back and delete posts I regret writing in a moment of anger or frustration.

Yes, Sir.. but the thing is, I am quoted, so it is there anyway.

anyway, it happens to all of us. that was my last for the year.

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by Teddy Ray

Yes, Sir.. but the thing is, I am quoted, so it is there anyway.

anyway, it happens to all of us. that was my last for the year.

Teddy, as you can see, I deleted the quote.

In any event, I'm going to hold you on your promise that it will be the last one for the rest of the year.

Thanks!

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

I always wonder why there's so much drama here than other boards (except maybe mastering).

That's a pretty odd statement when you consider that most of this drama started in 2009.

Why don't you go back and read some of the pre-July 2008 threads and report back on the "drama' level of this forum.
I trust you will nothing significant to report about. Prove me wrong -- I'm look forward to your review.

October 2009 will mark the seventh year this forum has been around.
During this time period we have had only four (maybe five) blown out drama fests which three of them have happened this year.

There are daily issues and problems in so many other forums.
I don't understand why you're putting us in that category when we hardly have the amount of wasted bandwidth like other boards?

• Think about it; 98-99% of the posts never get deleted.

• Only a small amount of posts get edited and it's usually to fix broken links, grammar, attachment issues or off-topic dialog.

• Only four or five drama festivals in nearly seven years to date.

• I've only gave out two infractions in just about seven years.

• For the most part everyone gets along with everyone else.

Please don't let a few issues color your view on this wonderful forum which we all helped to create...

Remember, the forum is only as good as the members it keeps!

This forum has been a great place to show and tell our projects/gear/designs, exchange ideas and ask questions because of each and every one of you, the contributing members.

[rumleymusic]

that was my last for the year.

It's a long time till January 1st

I always wonder why there's so much drama here than other boards (except maybe mastering).

Check out the Metric Halo topic in new products alert that I took a little too far. Lesson, never post opinions in a hostile environment unless you share everyone else's point of view. And never follow up.

I think this forum is a little more specialized, so the smaller group of dedicated posters tend to feel they have a permanent place here. It makes things a little more dramatic. Though I think the responses here are much more productive and helpful than other forums.

I get sick of the mastering forum because all the responses begin with "you should check out Bob Katz's book". And the second post is always "+1" (Don't get me wrong, I like his book). And the third post usually has something like "it is obvious you have no business mastering your own music". etc.

[PlugHead]

I found this particular forum to be a 'high class date', unlike so many others.

There have been times where I've questioned Steve's judgment in editing/deleting some posts, and very infrequently his tone. But, you know, I can say the very same thing about myself. Often when I am in an off mood, I can come off as a dicktard, and my writing is less than succinct and in need of an editor.

I feel Steve (and some others) may not share the exact same views on moderating a bb, so - if you feel slighted, or feel this is not the right place for you, maybe it's time to start your own site and be your own boss. Tho I've disagreed with Steve in some areas, I have nothing but respect for how he governs this forum: totally pro all the way, and the S/N ratio is markedly higher than ANY other forum (cept maybe for Klaus Heyne's at PSW) esp here on GS.

Maybe it's time to take a break, Nick. Get away from forums/bb's and get out in the fresh air. Go for a bike ride, take a trip out of the smog and crime infested city. If you're anywhere near as confrontational, caustic and/or dismissive with humans in your real life as you are on the internet, I can better understand why you might choose to come online to express your views...

[d_fu]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

October 2009 will mark the seventh year this forum has been around. During this time period we have had only four (maybe five) blown out drama fests which three of them have happened this year.

How does that correlate to the growth in the number of active participants of this forum? Just curious.

Even those few incidents concerning a number of participants (rightly or wrongly) deemed to be "troublemakers" remained a lot more civil than e.g. the interesting exchange between "winrar" and "mplancke" in this thread. Starts heating up by #200 or so and gets really funny (not...) by #355. For some reason, none or hardly any of this seems to have been edited/deleted. (not blaming anyone, just pointing out the fact).
I don't recall anything even remotely similar to this "discussion" in the Remote forum...

Even this very thread, although the issue may have been better discussed by PM, began (and mostly remained) far more civilized.

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

I think mods should be careful about deleting and other folks should have a look at a persons posting history before they make blanket statements like "you are an idiot" and "you should be banned for life"

I can't deny that I agree with this statement in general (and also in particular, considering comments about "village idiots" and "troublemakers", or uncalled for remarks on people needing therapy, in earlier threads).

JvB's reply to Nick was certainly the most considerate member's comment here, IMHO. I wish there were more of that in cases like this.

[okydoky]

hi,

ha, ha. earlier i deleted a bunch of my posts from a different thread because some people were up in arms about them [whether because they wanted to protect their turf, or because they just didn't like, or agree with, what i posted]. since it really wasn't that important to me, i figured there was no need to leave stuff up if it was so bothersome to others. and why be the object of ridicule when everyone "gangs up" as they often do on these forums?

subsequently, however, the post was reposted by the mod [steve], but he edited it as follows:

____________

post title: Should our identity be known or hidden? Plus, general forum etiquette




post15 - oky****

Originally Posted by dale

Originally Posted by Dale
Gentlemen
we are having a circular discussion.
Has anyone noted that the Lavery's and Katz' do not ask questions here! They post here because they want to share and raise the level of understanding.

hi,


Blah, blah, bah, bah, blah, blah, bah


right.

This is the edited (by Remoteness) version for your review.
I wanted to add some clarity to this dialog.

___________


so i deleted the post, again, but the mod [steve] reposted it, and locked the thread.



for the record, "Blah, blah, bah, bah, blah, blah, bah" are not my words.



ha, ha.



right.

[Murton]

Can I just ask where the post your photo's of your rig thread went? I have searched, it's no longer stickied nor moved. I love that thread and always look forward to picture of people's rig and I hope to post mine there for everyone to enjoy when I finish it.

[SurveillanceP]

Our version of drama is nothing compared to the dross on the internet forums. The people who run this site, and the atmosphere they create- its all PRO IMO.

That said, if okydokey could be influenced to stop train wrecking threads with his logic chopping, context twisting, and over assertively articulated posts that would be grand.


I humbly await the infraction notice I deserve

right.

[memphisindie]

Maybe this is too weird, but, maybe there should be a sticky in front of every Forum that say who the (as d-fu put it) "village idiots, dick-tards, drama queens", and such are, so, people can immediately either ignore or at least not respond to their baiting and also by contrast a list of those who behave like high-school aristo-tards who try to segregate and ostracize people they don't want others to like based on their opinion.
I'm sure I'll be in both lists.
I'm popular.

[7rojo7]

just ran out of popcorn
freedom of speech vs. orderly behaviour
as far as I know you can even get ticketed in public for disorderly behaviour
Why should a public forum be any different
It's not policing, it's maintaining a healthy atmosphere in which we can all benefit
The details here are not important and I think it's important for all of us who've followed this thread to understand that even in this thread, there has been merciless bashing from all sides. We should learn from this and not use it as an excuse to piss on our shoes.
Certain comments just don't belong anywhere, on a forum, at home, at work etc...
It's one's own responsibility to police one's own comments and communicate in a civil manner. We are civilized aren't we? If not, how do we keep our clients?
Little afterthought
Never argue with an idiot, those outside the argument will not discern the difference between you

[sonare]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

October 2009 will mark the seventh year this forum has been around.
During this time period we have had only four (maybe five) blown out drama fests which three of them have happened this year.

So could we PLEASE put an end to this? If the outcome can't be predicted to most of us, could we have a poll on whether to employ the virtual guillotine to the miscreant and get on with more pressing matters?

Rich

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by Jim vanBergen

Nick, you have a lot to offer, but you have to accept that some of your posts have a serious sharp edge to them. I don't agree with some things you say, but I rarely point that out, as we all have different opinions, and yours are usually quite valid. Some things you & I agree about 100%, and I don't feel the need to waste people's times with a "+1" to every post, either.

This thread, in itself, is offensive to me. I can't believe you actually started this thread. You are entitle to your opinion, but...it makes many of us wonder.

As far as Steve goes...he's the moderator.
Steve has a history of doing what is BEST for the FORUM, it has nothing to do with his personal concerns or preferences. Moderators are saddled with a LOT of responsibility for the topics and all members.

I have never had a post deleted by Steve, but have regretted and deleted some of my own. I think we ALL need to be more aware of the concept of "community" and that this is not a place to spout BS or personal attacks.

I feel that many of your posts (including this thread) are personal attacks. Steve speaks in plain english, and when trying to be quite fair, you accuse him of many insults, which I just don't see.

The RULES for GS state clearly the objectives and outline proper behavior. When there are inappropriate posts, it's our job to bring them to the moderator and request them to be removed and/or the offending party warned or blocked.

I'm trying to see your perspective on this, really I am. But I have read so many of your posts that are over the top, and pushing, bending, breaking the rules for our posts, I'm really not sure why you want to stay here if you're so unhappy.

Whether or not you agree, none of us should ever behave like a troll. If we do, we should have our posts banned and be warned, or blocked.

We've had more than our share of trolls on GS, and Remote Possibilities is the best forum, I feel, as far as signal to noise. Let's please keep it that way!

JvB

Hey everybody...the last thing I remember writing a couple of days ago here was the following...why it didn't make it out here is beyond me ( I may have closed my computer before it sent)...so I'll post it again as I remember It...something like this..


I appreciate your honesty Jim...as I've already stated, I was tired when I started this thread and regret it. I obviously felt that Steve treated me unfairly and I'm angry about it..

Yes some of my posts are edgy, but I'm always coming at it from a good place IMO... there is a lot of picking on that's goes on around here and I stick up for guys when that happens..cause I hate that shit....however I guess this is me picking on Steve and that's shitty, so...

Steve, starting a thread that singles you out unfairly is not cool. My apologies.

Nick

PS not exact but something like that

[memphisindie]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

Yes some of my posts are edgy, but I'm always coming at it from a good place IMO... there is a lot of picking on that's goes on around here and I stick up for guys when that happens..cause I hate that shit....however I guess this is me picking on Steve and that's shitty, so...

Steve, starting a thread that singles you out unfairly is not cool. My apologies.

Nick

PS not exact but something like that

Nice.

He does stick up for people getting picked on and I think he could moderate a thread on his own, it wouldn't be THIS thread, and it may end up being more of a zoo, but, for those not faint of heart, I bet it would be very interesting and honest.
Would it give GS a bad name? I doubt it but if you wanted to know where to go to have you as burnt to a crisp you'd know where to point, Nick's Smokehouse, or Inferno, I can see it now, Fried Green Opinion, I'm down.

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

Hey everybody...the last thing I remember writing a couple of days ago here was the following...why it didn't make it out here is beyond me ( I may have closed my computer before it sent)...so I'll post it again as I remember It...something like this..


I appreciate your honesty Jim...as I've already stated, I was tired when I started this thread and regret it. I obviously felt that Steve treated me unfairly and I'm angry about it..

Yes some of my posts are edgy, but I'm always coming at it from a good place IMO... there is a lot of picking on that's goes on around here and I stick up for guys when that happens..cause I hate that shit....however I guess this is me picking on Steve and that's shitty, so...

Steve, starting a thread that singles you out unfairly is not cool. My apologies.

Nick

PS not exact but something like that

I guess if there's anything we can get out of this drama fest it is that if you're tired you should not operate heavy machinery or an active online computer keyboard, especially when some one's reputation is on the line.

With that said, I'm not sure why you think I treated you unfairly.
I deleted posts that berated me and you appeared to be wide awake when you posted them.
Those deleted posts were basically your complaints about why I deleted posts which actually were posts bashing me or what I do around here.

I don't know about you, but you should treat this place with respect.
Bashing the moderator is never cool - if you have a beef with some one just contact them privately and work things out accordingly.

To tell you the truth, I really don't mind edgy posts; it's when folks constantly and consistently insult, talk down, etc. to each other that bothers me most.
That's a serious drag for me and it should not be tolerated.

Hey, we are all human and we do make mistakes.
I'm not talking about one or two incidents, I'm talking about a chronic behavior that sets an awful timbre for the forum.
This should not be acceptable in any way.

You may believe that you always come at it from a good place (and many times you do,) but it can be an awful experience when you are on the receiving end of that "good place."
I bet it's just like how you may feel when you are called out on something you said, just after you jammed some one up.
IMHO, it's not (usually) what you say, but how you say it.

Furthermore, FYI, after you have written a message and clicked on the "submit reply" button the system takes you to your post in the exact spot within that thread in chronological order.
Since you never accused me of deleting that post and I know I didn't delete it, I don't know what to say except that there is no way that post could have gone messing if you saw it in the thread timeline.
Did you see that post in chronological order or not?

This should be a lesson learned for every one.
Please wait and confirm that your posts are in the thread before you close or turn off your computer.

This mindset can also be applied to cooking; make sure you do not turn off the burners while cooking that special meal.
This action may cause serious havoc with your hungry family or friends!
Always make sure your food is cooked before you turn off your cooking appliance

With all this said, I still believe Nickynicknick can be a very useful participant in this forum.
IMO, a little more gentleman approach and a lot less punk temperament will do the trick just nicely.

Let us see how things progress...

I wish you well.

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

I guess if there's anything we can get out of this drama fest it is that if you're tired you should not operate heavy machinery or an active online computer keyboard, especially when some one's reputation is on the line.

With that said, I'm not sure why you think I treated you unfairly.
I deleted posts that berated me and you appeared to be wide awake when you posted them.
Those deleted posts were basically your complaints about why I deleted posts which actually were posts bashing me or what I do around here.

I don't know about you, but you should treat this place with respect.
Bashing the moderator is never cool - if you have a beef with some one just contact them privately and work things out accordingly.

To tell you the truth, I really don't mind edgy posts; it's when folks constantly and consistently insult, talk down, etc. to each other that bothers me most.
That's a serious drag for me and it should not be tolerated.

Hey, we are all human and we do make mistakes.
I'm not talking about one or two incidents, I'm talking about a chronic behavior that sets an awful timbre for the forum.
This should not be acceptable in any way.

You may believe that you always come at it from a good place (and many times you do,) but it can be an awful experience when you are on the receiving end of that "good place."
I bet it's just like how you may feel when you are called out on something you said, just after you jammed some one up.
IMHO, it's not (usually) what you say, but how you say it.

Furthermore, FYI, after you have written a message and clicked on the "submit reply" button the system takes you to your post in the exact spot within that thread in chronological order.
Since you never accused me of deleting that post and I know I didn't delete it, I don't know what to say except that there is no way that post could have gone messing if you saw it in the thread timeline.
Did you see that post in chronological order or not?

This should be a lesson learned for every one.
Please wait and confirm that your posts are in the thread before you close or turn off your computer.

This mindset can also be applied to cooking; make sure you do not turn off the burners while cooking that special meal.
This action may cause serious havoc with your hungry family or friends!
Always make sure your food is cooked before you turn off your cooking appliance

With all this said, I still believe Nickynicknick can be a very useful participant in this forum.
IMO, a little more gentleman approach and a lot less punk temperament will do the trick just nicely.

Let us see how things progress...

I wish you well.

So your insinuating that

1 you think I'm fabricating the story of an apology (a liar)

2 failing that, I must be ridiculously stupid (an idiot)

3 most of my posts are ferociously unfair yet somehow I can be a useful participant (bipolar)

...a bipolar idiot liar...

nice

my apology still stands...one has nothing to do with the other. Goodbye.

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

So your insinuating that

1 you think I'm fabricating the story of an apology (a liar)

Well, you never answered my question, so I really cannot say.
Did you or did you not see your post in the thread timeline?

I mean we all post messages here - I'm trying to understand the process.
When I post something I usually click on the "submit reply" button.
That takes me to the thread where my post is placed in chronological order.

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

So your insinuating that

2 failing that, I must be ridiculously stupid (an idiot)

Only you know whether you're an idiot or not.
I would rather think of you as an intelligent man that needs to rethink how he treats others in a public forum.

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

So your insinuating that

3 most of my posts are ferociously unfair yet somehow I can be a useful participant (bipolar)

No, you have a lot of good opinions about things.
You seem to be useful and unfair at the same time - one must read in between the lines to get to that "good place" you refer to.

Believe it or not, I usually agree with what you have to say; it's more about how you say it that offense most folks.

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

...a bipolar idiot liar...

Well, you said it not me.
In any event, I don't think of you that way.

I hope you're not projecting what you really feel about yourself?

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

nice

Don't put words in my mouth.

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

My apology still stands...one has nothing to do with the other. Goodbye.

You belated apology is accepted, but one thing has nothing to do with the other.

[henryrobinett]

Nick -- you just have a basic inability to let it go. Let it ride, man. You came quite a ways with an apology. Good for you. But people see things differently. It's their right to see things the way they see them. And you too. That's right. You cannot change the way someone perceives you to be, especially when it's a lot of people who seem to see the same thing. When that happens normally I'd say it's time to step back and really start looking things over. Maybe you need to reassess how you interact with people, at least online. It's like you get all wrapped up in it and can't let it go. I know this only too well myself. But maybe you just need to take a deep breath and step away for a few days.

[NesNeedsGear]

i'm a moderator at a very high-traffic motorcycle forum....
and I have to say is that it isn't easy choosing what to regulate. But Steve already hit the nail on the head.

you're more than welcome to leave, start your own forum, or play by the rules.

I've locked, deleted, temp- and perm-banned several members for starting up sh*t threads like this, bashing or "calling out" the mod/admin staff.
When you have a problem with someone, you contact the person directly, as a grown up should.

Contact via PM, email, even send a cell phone # if you have an issue.

this shouldn't be public...and I NEVER allow this sh*t to be public. Don't tell a mod how to run THEIR forum. I can tell you from experience, it pisses them off, and can certainly earn you a temp- or perm- ban.

It certainly does from me.

[nickynicknick]

Not sure what you are gettin at Steve. You seem a little mixed up or something. Anyway, yes Henry that's some good advice there. This is a discussion board however and I think it's fair that people know what's being said about them publicly. I'll be monitoring the situation.

Nick

PS it feels like time to close this down don't you think? I think everyone has had plenty of opportunity to state there case..although if anyone needs to still take shots at me...I'm right here

[nickynicknick]

Originally Posted by NesNeedsGear

i'm a moderator at a very high-traffic motorcycle forum....
and I have to say is that it isn't easy choosing what to regulate. But Steve already hit the nail on the head.

you're more than welcome to leave, start your own forum, or play by the rules.

I've locked, deleted, temp- and perm-banned several members for starting up sh*t threads like this, bashing or "calling out" the mod/admin staff.
When you have a problem with someone, you contact the person directly, as a grown up should.

Contact via PM, email, even send a cell phone # if you have an issue.

this shouldn't be public...and I NEVER allow this sh*t to be public. Don't tell a mod how to run THEIR forum. I can tell you from experience, it pisses them off, and can certainly earn you a temp- or perm- ban.

It certainly does from me.

Yes I agree, but you are assuming that I haven't PM'd the mod in this case (like a grown up)...and I've admitted the mistake...Steve certainly has the right to ban me. No argument there.

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

Not sure what you are gettin at Steve. You seem a little mixed up or something. Anyway, yes Henry that's some good advice there. This is a discussion board however and I think it's fair that people know what's being said about them publicly. I'll be monitoring the situation.

Nick

PS it feels like time to close this down don't you think? I think everyone has had plenty of opportunity to state there case..although if anyone needs to still take shots at me...I'm right here

Your commentary in this public arena is not much different than how you come across through those PMs you sent me.

You seem to neglect the fact that you take shots at a lot of folks on GS almost on a daily basis for that matter; you seem to cry foul only when it's done back to you - why is that?

Perhaps I am a bit mixed up, especially since you seem to have a knack with one-sided discussions.

Originally Posted by nickynicknick

Yes I agree, but you are assuming that I haven't PM'd the mod in this case (like a grown up)...and I've admitted the mistake...Steve certainly has the right to ban me. No argument there.

You said in a PM sent to me that you don't really care if I ban you or not because it wasn't that important to you.

Would you like me to ban you from GS or would you consider trying the gentleman's approach when posting your advice, enlightenment or observations, (you know) so you can stay a member of Gearslutz?

The ball is in your court my man!