Mono Micing a Symphony Concert - Page 4

RobAnderson · 27th May 2009

I think it's kind of cool that you did both. The best way to learn things is by doing them I think, and it's great that you did not take everyone else's word for it and gave mono a shot, while still heeding the overall advice of the group with regards to stereo.

Give the project some space and come back to it in a month or two and listen. See what you think of each recording then - put on a good pair of headphones and listen past the flaws of the ensemble; listen for things like tonal color, spaciousness, realism, immersion in the sound, etc. and see how the two compare.

FWIW - in future gigs, don't be afraid of moving mic's during a rehearsal/soundcheck or going into the hall to take a listen. That's part of the gig if you are doing a live recording. Do it as unobtrusively as possible of course, but it's part of the job description and most conductors know that.

chris319 · 27th May 2009

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don't be afraid of moving mic's during a rehearsal/soundcheck or going into the hall to take a listen.

I was never afraid to do that. When I said it is verboten to go into the audience when the orch is playing, I should have said it is verboten to go during the performance. I should have been clearer. My rehearsal time this particular day was largely spent dealing with replacing the non-functioning mixer, and I would have had to hear them play specifically the parts where the percussion was overpowering on the recording.

NorseHorse · 27th May 2009

I'm giving this thread five stars for longevity.

Daniel Stark · 27th May 2009

It is technically true to say the mixer was "non-functioning" (it did not function)...... but i can't help wondering why you want to misrepresent the situation? For that matter why do I care enough to call you out. Yawn.

There are no "magic buttons"......but as the saying goes "Any sufficiently advanced technology will seem magical"

Are you in middle school as well? No offense but I am just wondering.

chris319 · 27th May 2009

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It is technically true to say the mixer was "non-functioning" (it did not function)

Does it really matter?

joelpatterson · 27th May 2009

No, it doesn't really matter... but it's the principle of the thing!

chris319 · 27th May 2009

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Originally Posted by joelpatterson

No, it doesn't really matter... but it's the principle of the thing!

You're so helpful.

mohthom · 27th May 2009

Well . . . I don't think it's at all appropriate to say that the mixer wasn't functioning.

It functioned perfectly, as advertised and as per the manufacturer's instructions/specifications. The buttons depressed at the time in question caused the equipment to operate in an undesired way, but this does not constitute a lack of function (merely a different function to that desired by the operator).

Any suggestion that the mixer was non-functional, had 'croaked,' was broken or any other implication that the equipment was at fault is incorrect - it was perfectly functional (as demonstrated by the fact that when reset, it performed perfectly).

chris319 · 28th May 2009

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Originally Posted by mohthom

Well . . . I don't think it's at all appropriate to say that the mixer wasn't functioning.

It functioned perfectly, as advertised and as per the manufacturer's instructions/specifications. The buttons depressed at the time in question caused the equipment to operate in an undesired way, but this does not constitute a lack of function (merely a different function to that desired by the operator).

Any suggestion that the mixer was non-functional, had 'croaked,' was broken or any other implication that the equipment was at fault is incorrect - it was perfectly functional (as demonstrated by the fact that when reset, it performed perfectly).

Are we here to discuss audio or to be pedantic and split hairs over semantics? So bloody what? Is my choice of words really important to the theory and practice of recording or are you arguing just to argue? What are you, a law professor?

Geez Louise, give it a rest, you and Daniel Stark.

Daniel Stark · 28th May 2009

backindauk · 28th May 2009

I recorded a school performance of Handel's Messiah a few years back. This is when i was 16 or 17.

We used some Bruel & Kjaer and Earthworks mics in mono with RME Pre/AD. Results were nothing short of amazing.

Will upload some snippets when i get home.

chris319 · 28th May 2009

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Results were nothing short of amazing.

I hope your players were up to snuff. That's the first step in getting amazing results.

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RobAnderson Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2007 Location: NY New York a wonderful town Posts: 725 16 Reviews written	I think it's kind of cool that you did both. The best way to learn things is by doing them I think, and it's great that you did not take everyone else's word for it and gave mono a shot, while still heeding the overall advice of the group with regards to stereo. Give the project some space and come back to it in a month or two and listen. See what you think of each recording then - put on a good pair of headphones and listen past the flaws of the ensemble; listen for things like tonal color, spaciousness, realism, immersion in the sound, etc. and see how the two compare. FWIW - in future gigs, don't be afraid of moving mic's during a rehearsal/soundcheck or going into the hall to take a listen. That's part of the gig if you are doing a live recording. Do it as unobtrusively as possible of course, but it's part of the job description and most conductors know that. __________________ "Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." - G. Stein 1946 The reputation of a thousand years may be determined by the conduct of one hour. - Japanese Proverb "Look into his face and hear the music of the ages. Don't pay too much attention to the sounds--for if you do, you may miss the music." - George Ives http://www.andersonsoundrecording.com

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mohthom Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 638	Well . . . I don't think it's at all appropriate to say that the mixer wasn't functioning. It functioned perfectly, as advertised and as per the manufacturer's instructions/specifications. The buttons depressed at the time in question caused the equipment to operate in an undesired way, but this does not constitute a lack of function (merely a different function to that desired by the operator). Any suggestion that the mixer was non-functional, had 'croaked,' was broken or any other implication that the equipment was at fault is incorrect - it was perfectly functional (as demonstrated by the fact that when reset, it performed perfectly). __________________

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backindauk Lives for gear Joined: May 2009 Posts: 610	I recorded a school performance of Handel's Messiah a few years back. This is when i was 16 or 17. We used some Bruel & Kjaer and Earthworks mics in mono with RME Pre/AD. Results were nothing short of amazing. Will upload some snippets when i get home.