Digidesign SC48

[Goliath|Audio]

Introducing VENUE SC48 — The Definitive, All-in-One Live Sound Console
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[ZEUSS]

I see it has TDM plugin support. I wonder whats in that box?

[Goliath|Audio]

Originally Posted by ZEUSS

I see it has TDM plugin support. I wonder whats in that box?

Two of the Venue cards. From what I understand the audio engine takes up most of the first card.

[work2do]

think we will see this all in one concept in next generation of Pro Tools TDM hardware

[Smithcok]

Looks very cool.

If this is the sort of direction that Pro Tools LE will be going in the future, (in the light processing, more I/O, interfaces with expansion slots sense) I will be a very happy camper.

[ZEUSS]

Originally Posted by konkaos

think we will see this all in one concept in next generation of Pro Tools TDM hardware

Thats why I brought this up.

[LoopQuantum]

You guys are aware this has been the case with Digi's VENUE line for a few years, right?


The DShow Console, Profile, and SC48 all run TDM plugins.

Nothing really new here, just a smaller console for the VENUE line. Cool implementation though.

[Smithcok]

^^Right. But this one seems more targeted at the "LE" sort of consumer base.

We could be completely wrong, but this sort of direction seems like a logical (and great) next step for the LE line.

Perhaps with some better, expandable interfaces, LE (+Complete production toolkit) could be a great option for people wanting something in between LE and HD.

[Duardo]

We could be completely wrong, but this sort of direction seems like a logical (and great) next step for the LE line.

Perhaps with some better, expandable interfaces, LE (+Complete production toolkit) could be a great option for people wanting something in between LE and HD.

Conceptually, maybe, but I don't imagine that this product in particular...at about $27K list...will be much of a draw for the people that are hesitant to move to HD.

Still, though, I've heard some great stuff done on the Venue consoles, and I'd imagine we'll see quite a few of these out there in the near future...

[Smithcok]

Originally Posted by Duardo

Conceptually, maybe, but I don't imagine that this product in particular...at about $27K list...will be much of a draw for the people that are hesitant to move to HD.

Still, though, I've heard some great stuff done on the Venue consoles, and I'd imagine we'll see quite a few of these out there in the near future...

Yeah - let me clarify

I don't mean to say that this product is in any way an LE recording solution for a project studio. I am just speculating (hoping) that some of the feature ideas included in this new Venue machine will be considered for the next wave of LE interfaces. My speculation was sparked by the fact that this Venue is meant to connect to an LE system.

[PMoshay]

only big problem is the simultaneous track recording limitation on LE.
So unless they are going to open up the track record counts on LE, you can record 1/2 of most bands inputs.

It looks like a well thought out console, i love the new features. Many of my digital console pet peeves have been resolved on this model. Nice Job to the design team.

If anyone gets one, please post your thoughts

[Andi Rauscher]

SC 48 - 48 Inputs and only 18 recordable??? - Digi User Conference

my thoughts, no need to double post that here again....

[~ufo~]

Originally Posted by Andi Rauscher

my thoughts, no need to double post that here again....

yeah I hear ya.
sometimes you just want to hit these digi reps with a shovel for defending their company's stance on this matter. but then they probably don't agree with it either.

the company itself has forced itself in this corner and now they're sitting there, shrugging their shoulders as if silently saying "See??? we're cornered! just go HD if you need to record more than 18 tracks simultaneously, because if you need to do so, you obviously earn enough money to do so.... See????? OUR market dictates that OUR model makes perfect sense."

let's hope avid central command kicks some sense into these people.

[Smithcok]

^^yeah.

Its my speculative hope that this is foreshadowing of an option for more I/O in LE. My guess is that it might be an upgrade option via the complete production toolkit when the next wave of interfaces come out.

[PMoshay]

Originally Posted by Andi Rauscher

SC 48 - 48 Inputs and only 18 recordable??? - Digi User Conference

my thoughts, no need to double post that here again....

but i wasn't reading that thread, i was reading this one. I did not post a new topic, i replied to this one.

i really like the design of this console for its size, the online demo movie & interactive info is very good. Lets hope they up the ante and open up LE recording for all without a $500+ price tag

[Goliath|Audio]

Originally Posted by Andi Rauscher

SC 48 - 48 Inputs and only 18 recordable??? - Digi User Conference

my thoughts, no need to double post that here again....

Because this is a live console, not a recording interface.

[~ufo~]

Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

Because this is a live console, not a recording interface.

sure. I can see that point of view. Some live guys will say "just record the stereo outs and some audience mics and be done with, or maybe the group outs, this is not a studio, don't expect it to be one."

however, if I would spend that much money on a new live console which abrings "studio quality sound" on stage I would like it not to dictate how I should record.

"aaahhhhhhh" says the digi rep "but we feel that BECAUSE we bring studio sound to the stage, you won't feel the NEED to record every channel to a track, our console is THAT good!"

gee wow digi rep, of course if you put it like that, how silly of me to forget that when I started working on protools, the need to process individual tracks after tracking completely evaporated too!

ugh...... (trying hard to loosen my grip on that shovel)

plus, the biggest market for digital live consoles IMO still is theater.
Rock venues (at least over hither) usually rock analogue boards which suits me just fine, because I prefer working on analogue boards.
However, for touring productions like musicals the stages ARE turning into studios.
choirs are recording during the rehearsals to blend in with the performance later etc.

on one hand it's a good thing that digi aren't approaching the live market completely from a studio perspective, on the other hand it's gonna look totally silly to see a venue with a 24 track recorder (radar/tascam/alesis etc) or two connected to it just to be able to record every track.

pretty silly indeed.

don't mean to bash the board for what it is, because I'm half looking forward to mixing a live show on it, just the eternal 18 track limit...... doh!

[grobichaud]

I just checked this board out and I like how it has PTLE built in. This COULD be the future of LE or just a dream. Maybe not this exact board, but I'm sure Digi will introduce something new within the next year or 2 (just a guess) above HD, so with that logic I'm sure Digi will bring LE up to speed with the current HD systems (or just slightly behind it), including more i/o, higher track count out of the box and stuff like that. It's like looking at PT24|Mix and LE. Mix WAS top of the line, and now other then i/o limitations, a current LE system is better then a MIX system out of the box.

I can see LE catching up to HD fast after Digi introduces their next system, and this could be something simililar to the future of LE.

Just a thought

[Andi Rauscher]

Originally Posted by PMoshay

but i wasn't reading that thread, i was reading this one. I did not post a new topic, i replied to this one.

I know - I wasn´t referring to your post, just added my thoughts!

[Andi Rauscher]

Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

Because this is a live console, not a recording interface.

You are absolutely right - it is a live console.
But in 2009 the integration between live and studio is almost complete!!!

Every Artist would want a studio quality file of their show - especially at no extra cost!
and I as an engineer would like to
a) be able to offer this service
b) would like to be able to check my work later
c) enhance my business!

Every desk in that price range can do this, take a Yamaha LS9-32 and add 2 MY16-AT Cards, and ADAT Interface like the M-Audio Lightbrigdge, and BOOM, there you go, 32 direct outs!!!

Now with a company like didigesign, who are sooooooo saying of themselves how "groundbreaking" they are, I am REALLY dissapointed that they do not offer an option!

for me it is NOT AT ALL about LE vs HD, I own both - I just want to be able to work with what I have, and I like the small footprint of the SC48. All I would have expected is a HDx Option!
after all, it is existing technology!

stupid not to integrate that.

with the 18 I/O limit, you are missing 30 of the 48 Inputs, Hello? What´s that???
tutt

[Andi Rauscher]

Originally Posted by Smithcok

^^yeah.

Its my speculative hope that this is foreshadowing of an option for more I/O in LE. My guess is that it might be an upgrade option via the complete production toolkit when the next wave of interfaces come out.

I said it always, and I´ll say it again:
I do not believe this will happen anytime soon - if ever!

They will always keep the gap between LE and HD.... and I don´t care.

Just in this case with the SC48, this decision to go with LE instead of HD or even better, BOTH, is stupid - IMHO.

[Stiff]

Originally Posted by Andi Rauscher

with the 18 I/O limit, you are missing 30 of the 48 Inputs, Hello? What´s that???
tutt

Exactly. In case they don't have some awesome plan behind this, it's a very poor decision.

[grobichaud]

Originally Posted by Andi Rauscher

They will always keep the gap between LE and HD.... and I don´t care.

You are right, there will always be a gap between LE and HD, but if you compare LE to 24|MIX (which was the "HD" before 2003) then you will see that LE can now do more then 24|MIX could when it was top of the line. Other then the i/o limitations LE surpasses MIX by miles with track count, options, and features. So yes there will always be a gap between LE and Digi's top of the line hardware, but a gap between LE and HD will get smaller over the next couple years I believe.

[hipass]

Looks good ...
It's expandable to 32 outs ....
very nice