live compresssion

skiroy · 28th April 2009

I know tracking is different than live but today i was doing a live show and this guy is a screamer. I had his ratio on 8:1 threshold at about -36db and gain at about 8db make up,but htis seemed like alot but I realize its a whole lot different than tracking. is this normal for live compression. What is some of yalls parameters for compression on live screamers?

dbbubba · 28th April 2009

I am lucky that I generally get to work on nice live rigs, so I approach live compression the same as recording compression.

The same goes for EQ.

What-ever works!

Labrat · 28th April 2009

I like to use the peak limiter on my Drawmer DL241 for screamers. I'll use 4:1 with about 5-6db of gain reduction, then put a ceiling on it with the peak limiter.

tINY · 28th April 2009

I usually use milder ratios (up to about 4:1) and start them lower.

For scremo acts, I like the limitter idea. Also, turn him up in his monitor with no compression. Nothing like aversion theropy to induce good mic technique....

-tINY

skiroy · 4th May 2009

This guy told me he uses compression to reduce feedback. Can someone explain this because I thought compression will increase the size of the pick up pattern so I would think that would increase feedback problems?

cavern · 4th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by skiroy

This guy told me he uses compression to reduce feedback. Can someone explain this because I thought compression will increase the size of the pick up pattern so I would think that would increase feedback problems?

when we practice, i find to much compression can make feedback worst but a tight gate on the vocals really helps.

nickynicknick · 4th May 2009

...yes that's too much compression...you should be able to mix a screamer without any compression....find the loudest point, gain accordingly and ride that fader..and remember if you are going to use compression, make sure that compression is not going to the monitors...you can achieve this in any club by strapping the compression over sub groups and assigning your vocals there, avoiding compression over the individual channels.

On feedback...compression in the monitors will cause you more feedback in most cases

Nick

Heartfelt · 4th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by tINY

Also, turn him up in his monitor with no compression. Nothing like aversion theropy to induce good mic technique....

-tINY

Classic! Love it. thumbsup

philw44 · 4th May 2009

I use similar settings to labrat. About 4:1, -10db and limiter on.

No comp in monitors as it increases feedback chance and will feel unnatural to vocalist on stage.

I either bring the comp back on a new channel or insert it over a sub group.

Doc Mixwell · 4th May 2009

We'll do it Live!!

YouTube - Bill O'Reilly Goes Nuts --- THE REMIX

theom · 4th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by skiroy

This guy told me he uses compression to reduce feedback. Can someone explain this because I thought compression will increase the size of the pick up pattern so I would think that would increase feedback problems?

I never use comps or limiters on a vocal in stage monitors.
On rare occasion compression is helpful on a vocal for In-Ear mixes.

Compression will NOT help to suppress feedback.

suedesound · 4th May 2009

Agreed to not send compression to monitors. I can't imagine how it would help feedback, quite the opposite. I've been running parallel comp for vox lately and am liking it, I just route the vox to L\R and a subgroup with compression, even then I'm taking off maybe 6db or so. Ride those faders damn it, you're mixing!

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skiroy Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,863 Thread Starter	live compresssion I know tracking is different than live but today i was doing a live show and this guy is a screamer. I had his ratio on 8:1 threshold at about -36db and gain at about 8db make up,but htis seemed like alot but I realize its a whole lot different than tracking. is this normal for live compression. What is some of yalls parameters for compression on live screamers?

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28th April 2009	#2
dbbubba Banned Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,099	I am lucky that I generally get to work on nice live rigs, so I approach live compression the same as recording compression. The same goes for EQ. What-ever works!

28th April 2009	#3
Labrat Gear interested Joined: Jun 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 19	I like to use the peak limiter on my Drawmer DL241 for screamers. I'll use 4:1 with about 5-6db of gain reduction, then put a ceiling on it with the peak limiter.

28th April 2009	#4
tINY Gear Guru Joined: Jul 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 10,234	I usually use milder ratios (up to about 4:1) and start them lower. For scremo acts, I like the limitter idea. Also, turn him up in his monitor with no compression. Nothing like aversion theropy to induce good mic technique.... -tINY

4th May 2009	#5
skiroy Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,863 Thread Starter	This guy told me he uses compression to reduce feedback. Can someone explain this because I thought compression will increase the size of the pick up pattern so I would think that would increase feedback problems?

4th May 2009	#7
nickynicknick Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,678	...yes that's too much compression...you should be able to mix a screamer without any compression....find the loudest point, gain accordingly and ride that fader..and remember if you are going to use compression, make sure that compression is not going to the monitors...you can achieve this in any club by strapping the compression over sub groups and assigning your vocals there, avoiding compression over the individual channels. On feedback...compression in the monitors will cause you more feedback in most cases Nick

4th May 2009	#9
philw44 Gear Head Joined: May 2009 Posts: 57	I use similar settings to labrat. About 4:1, -10db and limiter on. No comp in monitors as it increases feedback chance and will feel unnatural to vocalist on stage. I either bring the comp back on a new channel or insert it over a sub group.

4th May 2009	#10
Doc Mixwell 70% coffee & 30% beer Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Quincy, MA Posts: 7,731	We'll do it Live!! YouTube - Bill O'Reilly Goes Nuts --- THE REMIX

4th May 2009	#12
suedesound Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2008 Location: san francisco Posts: 850	Agreed to not send compression to monitors. I can't imagine how it would help feedback, quite the opposite. I've been running parallel comp for vox lately and am liking it, I just route the vox to L\R and a subgroup with compression, even then I'm taking off maybe 6db or so. Ride those faders damn it, you're mixing!