Sound Samples & Pics of DPA4060 in ONNO Config

[Gaston69]

I want to share a sound sample and pictures of a recording I did with DPA4060 in an ONNO Config.

The orchestra is Mechels Kamerorkest, Alfredo Marcuzzi (Badoneon) & Floris Willem (Guitar)

Pictures are taken by Harry Versluys with a Panasonic FX37 which I unfortunatly lost felt out of my pocket in the cinema in Doha, Qatar.

Pre-amp is a Paintpot Crookwood, Recorded with Metric's Halo ULN-2, Reverb added within Logic (Spacedesigner).

[davew]

nice sound! i've mastered several orchestras before, never heard of this mic however, interesting.

[David Spearritt]

Gaston, very nice sound. What exactly "Onno config", is it just a spacing of the two omni mics? They look about 270mm apart?

[Gaston69]

Hello David,

Thanks for the compliment, ONNO config = AB with approximatly 38 cm space between the mics however you can play with the space as long as you maintain a good balance

[Larry Elliott]

Gaston

The microphones seem to be at an angle rather than parallel - is the angle critical.

Thanks

Larry

[boojum]

Originally Posted by Gaston69

Hello David,

Thanks for the compliment, ONNO config = AB with approximatly 38 cm space between the mics however you can play with the space as long as you maintain a good balance

The spacing, 38cm, is about what Williams would recommend for this situation. He does not recommend angles on his technique. He uses his omni arrays with the mics in a standard straight ahead parallel configuration. What are the angles you used, if any?

Excellent recording! Well done. I am quite envious.

[joelpatterson]

Beauteous!

[Gaston69]

Hello Larry,

THe mics are NOT under an angle but just straight forward however the small capsule are turned a little outwards so you create a 90 degrees angle.

By the way on what picture did you thought to see that the mics were under an angle?

Gaston

[Petrus]

Those DPA miniatures are so perfect omnis at all audible frequences that they could be pointing which ever way with no effect on the image...

It just FEELs and LOOKs right to have them pointing either forward or angeled out a bit...

[Gaston69]

Petrus,

Yep, you are right.

Love these mics by the way except vocals suffer sometimes from a sharp ess, I prefer to use in that case the B&K4006

[Petrus]

The last time I used them was taped to the edge of by combat helmet above and front of the ears feeding a Z4 recorder in my pocket.

Only problem is that 4060:s are bit too sensetive to gunshots...

headline here ...

[Gaston69]

especially when the bullet hits the mic

[mljung]

Wonderful..!

To me - what these tiny omni's seems to be able to do very well, is to make a very open sound with non of the lo-mid haze that the slightly larger 4006, and other typical sdc omni's [Schoeps etc] often exhibits at a distance. The 4060 ONNO samples here presents a fine orchestral balance; one could easily have guessed that there was a spot on the bandoneón, I don't think the instrument would have this pressence recorded with a "typical" sdc pair.

It's ofcourse a pity that they [4060] are rather noisy microphones, but it's obvious that noise is not a problem in this recording.

Since I prefer natural ambience I would like to hear this recording without the added artificial reverb [although I guess it's a pretty dry room].

I reckon you used the 4060 without grids [as usual] so what we hear on these samples is how an almost real omni works without the need of a so-called diffuse field EQ

Nice work Gaston


[I will look forward to getting a set of the 4060 to use along with my 4006 and others]

[Larry Elliott]

Originally Posted by Gaston69

Hello Larry,

THe mics are NOT under an angle but just straight forward however the small capsule are turned a little outwards so you create a 90 degrees angle.

By the way on what picture did you thought to see that the mics were under an angle?

Gaston

Sorry but I am more confused now - are the axis of the mics at 90degrees?

The pic I was referring to was on your web site not in the post - sorry

Larry

[David Spearritt]

I always thought that despite its very omni performance, the 4060 was actually a side address mic, so its "on-axis" direction is perpendicular to the cable-grill axis. True or not?

[aracu]

Impressive, very clear, crisp and well balanced sound with tiny lav mics!

[slaphappygarry]

What a fantastic recording. Really beautiful music and recording.

I just ordered one of these from a local hire company for a job over the weekend where space is a huge issue. Having never used one it was a bit of a pot shot but your recording has really got me looking forward to them.

Just a couple questions. Is that a spot mic on the accordian type instrument? Are there any other spot mics on that mix there? (in short, what am I listening too). Also, this ONNO config, do you have a close up of the stereo bar?

Many thanks for posting this.

G

[Gaston69]

Slap Happy,

The Spot mic you'll see is for the guitar not for the Bandoneon. The music you here is only 1 pair of DPA4060.

[slaphappygarry]

Wow

Many thanks

Garry

[Larry Elliott]

Gaston

To help me understand this mic configuration, next time you set up could you please take a photo of the mic rig. Thanks so much

Larry

[boojum]

I need some clarification here, too. I understand that the 4060 is pretty "omni" and can hear well in all directions. But I am confused about whether you are set up like DIN or spaced array, i.e., parallel. Please help us out here.

It is an excellent recording and the 4060's may be and answer to some nosebleeds I have recording live performances where the stage manager carries on as if I were ruining the filming of The Ten Commandments when using 4006's on a stand between the conductor and the audience.

Thanks so much.

[Dog Boots]

Very nice sounding recording here on a Yamaha NX-U10 (quite cool little USB-powered stereo speaker).

I'm a bit confused, though - I thought ONNO setup involved a baffle? So this is a regular AB stereo with 38 cm between the mics?

Did you have the screens/grids off the mics?

[Testing123]

I looked at the pictures before I listened to the clip, and the sound coming out of my ipod headphones (on my laptop) was NOT what I was expecting based on the environment you had to deal with.

Very nice! That piece has an Ennio Morricone vibe about it, at least to me. Who is the composer?

[tsvisser]

Hi Gaston,

I'd like to experiment with this setup on a more intimate setup, a wind quintet next week. I have very little time for experimentation and happen to own a pair of DPA 4060s (which I purchased with the SMK stereo kit that include the boundary layer adapters and I had originally intended on using as high quality lavs for filim work and occasional music production). Can you give me some specific details on setup, spacing, and positioning, as a decent starting point I may only have about 20 minutes to setup and then go time. The other purpose of my session is to try out a Sennheiser MKH 800 Twin double M-S setup, so it would be interesting to see if the 2 different types of mics will blend together, and compare / contrast the 4060s to the 800s as a simple stereo setup, and also to see if the 4060s work as a left and right channel with the 800s as center and rear left / right M-S decoded.

[d_fu]

The bandoneon sounds lovely. The overall sound stage is a bit narrow for my taste, though. What's the music, BTW?

For some reason, the recording is very noisy - seems to be some electrical noise/hum predominantly.



Daniel

[ghellquist]

Came around to listening to this only now.

Real nice sound. Perfect example of how omnis can make a recording sound really good - two mics and thats it. Open, full, everything is there.

To me this is an example of the "rather closely" spaced omni school of placement. A feet or two apart does it. The other school wants them 2 meters or so apart and further back. Both gives very good recordings when adapted to the room and its acoustics. Which incidentally you have here. (Of course yet other schools wants three or more mics).

Only thing to me is that the 4060 is slightly on the noisy side. You can hear this in the few seconds before start of the music. Once the music starts the noise is masked. Part of it could be due to processing in making the mp3. A little "manipulation" could turn down the hiss in the head (before the music) but still keep the feeling of room.

Ooh, whish people could avoid coughing on recordings.

Keep it up. Give us more recordings.

Gunnar

PS: By the way -- calling it Onno? Who? Any description I could read?

[PlugHead]

Originally Posted by ghellquist

Only thing to me is that the 4060 is slightly on the noisy side. You can hear this in the few seconds before start of the music. Once the music starts the noise is masked. Part of it could be due to processing in making the mp3. A little "manipulation" could turn down the hiss in the head (before the music) but still keep the feeling of room.

IMO,

This is the ONLY "Achille's heel" of these mics: I really love mine (4060's), but their noise can often distract me from the performance, esp. if the material is extremely sensitive/dynamic...

Otherwise, these mics sound great - nice recording!

[d_fu]

Originally Posted by ghellquist

Only thing to me is that the 4060 is slightly on the noisy side. You can hear this in the few seconds before start of the music.

I don't think this is the mics' self noise. If it were, they'd be disastrous...
Sounds more like some sort of hum to me.

Daniel

[Gaston69]

It's a hum, probably due to the lights and dimmers.