Anyone seeing this Kanye West on SNL?

[Tha Wiizard]

Originally Posted by d-dmusic

I'm really trying to turn over a new leaf and attempt to find merit in all things, but, I'm sorry man that SNL performance was just pathetic. Not even auto-tune new what to do with Kanye's attempts a spewing an unskilled, throat voice, shrill pitch forward.

What does this say about the music business ? And, what about all of the really hard working, talented individuals that should be getting rewarded ?

I've got to say, I'm totally stumped.

Thank you. Make Him President !!!

[n.charlan]

Originally Posted by RKrizman

I don't think of Kanye as being a live performer. .

-R

His Glow in the dark tour was a great live performance, but then again, he wasn't sodomizing autotune either at that time.

The dude has talent, just not in the singing department, I bet this experiment will fizzle out and he will go back to what originally made him sucessful, rapping and making soulful beats

[tropicalhotdog]

Originally Posted by d-dmusic

What does this say about the music business ? And, what about all of the really hard working, talented individuals that should be getting rewarded ?

There's an industry where really hard working, talented individuals get rewarded?
Where?

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Originally Posted by audiovisceral

bad as this or worst?



^ my standard of worst performance ever. or at least close to it.

on the plus side, this should all help to end the autotune craze ...

I think this is greattttt....











""SYKE""

[KEN1]

Originally Posted by n.charlan

The dude has talent, just not in the singing department

Singing is being a musician and is what music is all about..........rapping is not a skill or a talent whatsoever.There is nothing musical about it other then the beat.......which looping samples any ****** can do.I get ton's of rappers every year in my studio and not one of them has any concept of pitch at all.Kanye west is just a fabricated tool that a record label created.Obviously the videos tell the truth and nothing but the truth.The jackass should be waiting tables instead of being on any record label.LOOK AND LISTEN TO THE VIDEO PEOPLE! That f#cknut is a joke!

[3rdeyeKnight]

Originally Posted by KEN1

......rapping is not a skill or a talent whatsoever....I get ton's of rappers every year in my studio....

...yeah...okay...

[colinmiller]

I disagree with the statement that rapping is not a talent. It's not as easy as it looks. I used to think the same thing about record scratching until I was alone in the studio with a turntable and my curiosity got the better of me. Not nearly as easy as it looks.

[audiovisceral]

Originally Posted by picksail

All this shoe-throwing!!

ohhh now i get it
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Shoes thrown at Bush on Iraq trip

that guy had good aim, and bush was surprisingly agile.

bush handled it better than kanye too.

Kanye Goes Nuts Over a Thrown Penny | Hollywood Limelight

[los marbles]

Originally Posted by KEN1

Singing is being a musician and is what music is all about..........rapping is not a skill or a talent whatsoever.There is nothing musical about it other then the beat.......which looping samples any ****** can do.I get ton's of rappers every year in my studio and not one of them has any concept of pitch at all.Kanye west is just a fabricated tool that a record label created.Obviously the videos tell the truth and nothing but the truth.The jackass should be waiting tables instead of being on any record label.LOOK AND LISTEN TO THE VIDEO PEOPLE! That f#cknut is a joke!

Rappers sing out of tune on purpose...it's a stylistic thing. The train of thought is, "I'm too street to know how to sing" You can't be a gangsta and sing like a bird...it's not believable.

I've made the mistake of telling rappers to take another because of tuning issues. They laughed.

It's supposed to be attitude in the music. I've recorded rappers who can actually sing, but record this way to create an atmosphere of bad-ass in the track.

Well, I never say anything, but it's far from bad-ass if you're trying to portray someone you're not. So much for "Keeping it real"

[jchas]

That song posted on page 2 was his second attempt on SNL. It was bad, but his first performance YouTube - Kanye West - Love Lockdown - Saturday Night Live 12/13/08 SNL would be hard to beat in a VFW Karaoke contest for the deaf.

[SoundEng1]

Originally Posted by Revmen

Great song + bad performance = good
Great song + great performance = great
Bad song + great performance = bad
Bad song + bad performance = horrible

Ill take Number 4.

[bcgood]

YouTube - Jizz In My Pants

That was funny, I was literally lol as I watched it.

[iomegaman]

Originally Posted by PoorGlory

Seeing as you're like the 3rd person to comment on that:

It was a bad, poorly worded, f*cking joke. No, I don't think republicans are listening to Kanye. It was in reference to the American public in general. Jesus ****ing Christ.

Back on topic....

I'll remember to "autohumor" your post in the future.

[bcgood]

Originally Posted by iomegaman

I'll remember to "autohumor" your post in the future.

lol

Original, I like it. Not taking sides because I honestly don't know what the argument was about but that was funny.

[Battles]

Originally Posted by KEN1

Singing is being a musician and is what music is all about..........rapping is not a skill or a talent whatsoever.There is nothing musical about it other then the beat.......which looping samples any ****** can do.I get ton's of rappers every year in my studio and not one of them has any concept of pitch at all.Kanye west is just a fabricated tool that a record label created.Obviously the videos tell the truth and nothing but the truth.The jackass should be waiting tables instead of being on any record label.LOOK AND LISTEN TO THE VIDEO PEOPLE! That f#cknut is a joke!

Rapping takes no talent eh? You're bashing an entire genre because you don't care for it. Have you ever tried to rap? To each his own ...

[Cellotron]

I actually really like Kanye as a producer - I think "College Dropout" has a number of excellent moments - and "Jesus Walks" stands out particularly to me as one of the best tracks written in the past few years. I just don't particularly like his flow - it always seems a little stilted compared to so many others out there - but that's just me - I'm kind of still waiting for someone to even come close to Rakim's delivery.

Anyway - it's kind of sad that for youngsters that have a limited sense of pop culture history that peeps like T-Pain are getting lauded for innovating the "robot voice" vibe - when in fact it's well over 20 years old, with lots of cuts from the 70's and 80's with vocoders and talk boxes front and center - which also seem now somehow more "organic" than the current extreme auto-tuning atrocities. To my old skool ear Zapp did it back in the day with way more funk than the current upstarts who don't give them the credit - check out one of my favorite Troutman joints at YouTube - Heartbreaker--Zapp to hear what I mean.

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[wesarvin]

Originally Posted by audiovisceral

why do some people always assume the only reason a person can dislike something is jealousy?

if someone cooks me a shit sandwich, i promise i'm not eating it, and it's got nothing to do with me being jealous of the 'chef'.

i loved kanye's workout plan and diamonds. but not this. and somehow that makes me a bad person? i don't get it.

HAHA!!!

[Astromann]

Didn't he say recently that he was "The voice of this generation"
Jeeez if he is...no wonder there are so many problems in the world
He certainly reflects that. What an inflated idiot!!
I dunno it seems as if he has plenty of ego and attitude, like most rappers these days...but stuff all talent. I prefered the earlier dudes like Grandmaster Flash etc...
But anyway thats a crap song to begin with...even if it had been sung well by somebody else it still would have sucked big time, there was lots of drums and presentation and vocoder and attempts at originality, but completely empty at the core of it all.
Maybe he should go on American Idol...nah he would get eliminated in the first round

[sheepforwheat]

It sounded like a ******** kid singing while eating cereal.

I was trying to figure out what was wrong the whole time. I heard the autotune, yes, but they also had his dry vocals coming in loud and clear too, which was an absolute travesty. And i heard his main vocals cut out a couple times, to reveal the rooms background vocals. Technical error?

I thought, surely, they'll fix whatever the problem was on the second song, Then, they did the same exact thing, again.

Not only was the performance piss poor sonically, but visually as well. He stood in front of a screen the whole time and danced around in place like a drunk sorostitute.

[The dman]

I don't listen to this kind of music and really don't know much about this guy but wow he ****ing sucks. I don't care how many cd's he's sold , how many tv shows or how much money he has made he still sucks.

[Devlin]

And the mainstream media doesn't even consider Kanye the worst part of the show! Check it out:

Advocates of blind fault TV skit about NY Governor - Yahoo! News

[Jules]

Originally Posted by u b k

i wonder if anyone will be losing their gs privileges over this thread, or is it okay to hate on kanye but not nickelback?


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Its been moved to a non gear forum - and a warning given for posting it out in the gear / engineering & production area

[brill bedroom]

Originally Posted by Tha Wiizard

Well let's look at the big picture. Phil Collins, Elton John Bruce Springsteen, The Beatles, and Patty Labelle couldn't really sing. They sounded good because their voices were drowned in reverb and they had the best melodies, lyrics, and topics in their material. I cant name one rock n roll singer who can sing

The flaw in that argument is that you are wrong.

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by Jules

Its been moved to a non gear forum - and a warning given for posting it out in the gear / engineering & production area

To be fair, it did start out as a discussion of the production and use/misuse of autotune. It just became clear that there is so much more wrong than that. All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't help this train wreck.

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Originally Posted by los marbles

Rappers sing out of tune on purpose...it's a stylistic thing. The train of thought is, "I'm too street to know how to sing" You can't be a gangsta and sing like a bird...it's not believable.

I've made the mistake of telling rappers to take another because of tuning issues. They laughed.

It's supposed to be attitude in the music. I've recorded rappers who can actually sing, but record this way to create an atmosphere of bad-ass in the track.

Well, I never say anything, but it's far from bad-ass if you're trying to portray someone you're not. So much for "Keeping it real"

Yeah of course we know rappers do that & its fly...But he ain't tryna do this...so the result, NOT FLY...SUCKAGEdfegad

[d1rtynyc]

Doesn't he have any good friends around him to tell him he can't sing?
I think his ego is gonna finally kill him.

[tropicalhotdog]

He KNOWS he can't sing - that's why he's trying this whole auto-tune thing as a gimmicky approach to finding some middle ground. He obviously got what he wanted on the record (I don't like the result myself, but I'm not a Kanye fan anyway). But clealy he hasn't worked out how to make it work for live performance. I don't think the guy is stupid. Just off track and getting way too far away from what he knows how to do. Again, I'm not sure what that is, but he attained his level of success through being able to do SOMETHING that a pretty large audience responded to.

I remember seeing Neil Young on the Trans tour in 1983 (?), using sequencers, vocoders and a pre-recorded video tape of himself singing the back-up parts at a solo gig in Madison Square Garden. Same kind of thing. All Neil really needs to do is play guitar and sing, but he went way off the rails with that stuff and it was embarassing. All Kanye needs to do is rap or produce or wear funny sunglasses or whatever the hell his core talent is, but he's stretching to try something else. And it ain't working.

[AllAboutTone]

Who is Kanye West ? The Industry sucks so bad i never open an eye to it, sorry !!

[PoorGlory]

Originally Posted by iomegaman

I'll remember to "autohumor" your post in the future.

Funny. But I already explained the poor attempt at humor before you commented, which means you didn't read the whole thread. So I'll excuse you.

[lexx00]

P.O.S..the perfect example of the demise of the music industry.
but...somebody is making money off this. amazing.