Mic Mounts for Schoeps

[divingduck]

Just bought my first pair of Schoeps (cmc6u + mk2s) and need some appropriate shockmounts/holders. I've seen the Schoeps holders, but interested what anyone else uses from the generics out there....

...Also need 4 shockmounts for Gefell m300s, any generics that suit these too?

...and a stereo bar for up to 1m width (I like the look of the AEA)

Also, using the active cable, is there a mount for inside a piano? I thought I'd seen one for Schoeps mics, but there isn't one on their site.

Any experienced opinions?

Many cheers.

[ljudatervinning]

To my Schoeps I use Shure A53 and the new Rycote INV7.
The Rycote shock mount is really great. I find the strap holding the cable is a good addition. The INV7 is also great for DPA 4006.

[luigichelli]

+1 rycote

[Notron Fan]

What about the avantone SSM?

[RobAnderson]

and a stereo bar for up to 1m width

SabraSom makes a 1m stereo bar. It is not as good or as sturdy as the more expensive bars, but having a little bit of patience can save you some bread.

[hughesmr]

I too use the Shure A53 mounts on my Schoeps bodies and they fit like a glove. I will be looking into the new Rycotes for my 8020s, but have no experience with them myself.

[Jim vanBergen]

I bought the generic & cheap Ebay shockmounts for three of my Schoeps- they are about $36 each. They are larger with a metal clip and housing but a little more sturdy and resilient than the much more expensive plastic ones I got from the factory.

[matthewd]

I believe Rycote have a load of fairly new clips and stuff available for a wide variety of particularly pencil mics and there is a configuration chart on their website as to which lyre grip suits which mic model. I am sure Schoeps are catered for on there.

Good luck with it

Matt

[boojum]

I use Shure A53 for my Schoeps. I have the Schoeps mounts but the look a little flimsy for remotes.

[Baithak]

I would not recommend the Schoeps mic mounts. I have found them to be quite flimsy. The AT shock mounts are any day better for this. I think the model number is AT 8410 and they are about 40 bucks each street.

Re. stereo bars the AEA one is good but I was also very impressed by Michael Grace's creation at the recent AES show. He told me that they should be available sometime this year ...

Have fun,
Baithak

[Don S]

Originally Posted by Notron Fan

What about the avantone SSM?

Not even close...The avantone is very heavy and clumpsy. The Rycote is worth every penny. An outstanding shockmount!

[hughesmr]

Originally Posted by Baithak

Re. stereo bars the AEA one is good but I was also very impressed by Michael Grace's creation at the recent AES show. He told me that they should be available sometime this year ...

Intruiging .... is there any more info you could provide on the new Grace?

[jslevin]

Originally Posted by divingduck

...Also need 4 shockmounts for Gefell m300s, any generics that suit these too?

Haven't yet tried them myself, but I heard good things about the Audix SMT-25 shockmounts, and my past experience with Audix has always been positive.

JSL

[divingduck]

Great replies thanks!

The Rycote looks great - will it hang upside down safely? I can't tell from pictures how tight the grip will be. (I assume it's no issue, but worth asking )

The Shure A53 doesn't seem to be on their website - is it discontinued?

[divingduck]

Originally Posted by jslevin

Haven't yet tried them myself, but I heard good things about the Audix SMT-25 shockmounts, and my past experience with Audix has always been positive.

JSL

The Audix look good, for my m300 s at least - anyone used?

many cheers.

[divingduck]

Looks like the spec for the Audix will handle mics 21-27mm, and the Schoeps are 20mm I believe, as are the Gefells.

[Baithak]

Originally Posted by hughesmr

Intruiging .... is there any more info you could provide on the new Grace?

There are 12", 18" and 1 meter versions available. They were extremely sturdy (think the M902 remote control), well finished and really flexible with a built-in tilt control for angling the mic toward the source. The horizontal bar was calibrated as was the tilt control - in degrees.

Maybe Michael / Eben can be made to respond directly on pricing and availability.

To the OP, do check out the AT shock mount; it is a really hassle free and long-term solution - I haven't tried the Rycote mount though and that seems to be winning the popular vote at this time :-)

Good luck,
Baithak

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by divingduck

Just bought my first pair of Schoeps (cmc6u + mk2s) and need some appropriate shockmounts/holders. I've seen the Schoeps holders, but interested what anyone else uses from the generics out there....

The Rycote InVision Series are the best shockmunts there are, bar none.

They are considerably better and, amazingly, considerably cheaper than most other mounts.

They are better than the manufacturers standard mounts in virtually every case.

I know several people who are swapping all their studio mouts over to these and I am doing the same.

They are perfect for your Schoeps (INV-7 is the one for you I think).

By the way - it's best to use the S-series mic. tail with the mount (it's what I do) as the light and flexible mic. tail minimises any structure borne sound coming up the cable.

[divingduck]

OK, ordering 6 of the Rycotes

More research on stereo bars required tho..

Many cheers.

[boojum]

Originally Posted by divingduck

Great replies thanks!

The Rycote looks great - will it hang upside down safely? I can't tell from pictures how tight the grip will be. (I assume it's no issue, but worth asking )

The Shure A53 doesn't seem to be on their website - is it discontinued?

Shure * - A53M Shock Mount Microphone Clip

there are better prices at the retailers.

Also, has anyone here been using the new Rycote InVisions in the field or studio? They seem interesting.

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by boojum

Also, has anyone here been using the new Rycote InVisions in the field or studio? They seem interesting.

Yes, they are excellent. They don't droop or bounce and get rid of the structure-born noise.

As I have said, I am swapping all my mounts over to these (and the old ones were expensive original manufacturer ones).

[JEGG]

Originally Posted by Baithak

I would not recommend the Schoeps mic mounts. I have found them to be quite flimsy. The AT shock mounts are any day better for this. I think the model number is AT 8410 and they are about 40 bucks each street.

I had a pair of the 8410's for a few days and the dealer was nice and took them back. I found that while the AT 8410 certainly looks like a good mount, I found the attenuation of structure born noise to be zip, even when using different mic's of very different mass.

Worse, they have a tendency to actually ring when put in front of a loud source.

I have the Schoeps mounts. They work well. I agree they are flimsy, brittle, and definitely not confidence inspiring.

I will go with the new Rycotes when I need more mounts.

[divingduck]

6 shiny new Rycote mounts arrived yesterday. They look the part; will hopefully be recommending them to other Slutz in the future.

Thanks for the pointers.

[Baithak]

Hi DDuck: where did you get them from??
I think you would get the INV 7s correct?
Does it fit the M295 of Geffel and the CMC6 of Schoeps?

This thread and has made me curious to try one out.

Baithak

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by Baithak

I think you would get the INV 7s correct?
Does it fit the M295 of Geffel and the CMC6 of Schoeps?

This thread and has made me curious to try one out.

I have the INV-2, INV-3, INV-7, INV-10 and INV-10H.

The INV-7 is certainly suitable for the Schoeps CMC series - and - as long as the body diameter is betwen 19mm and 25mm the Gefell should be fine as well.

[divingduck]

Originally Posted by Baithak

Hi DDuck: where did you get them from??
I think you would get the INV 7s correct?
Does it fit the M295 of Geffel and the CMC6 of Schoeps?

This thread and has made me curious to try one out.

Baithak

From here:
Pro Audio Systems
My usual dealer could order them as well as they are distributed by Sennheiser in the UK, so most places can get them but don't usually list.

They fit the CMC6 snugly, and will try them on my Gefell m300s later. They fit 19-25mm size, so the 295 should be fine.

This celebrates my 100th post

[audibell]

To the OP - light stands are my supports. Firstly the 5/8 inch 27 thread/inch brass or pot-metal ferrule is inherently weak and under-sized for all but single shock-mounted mics. This thread size was apparently borrowed from the living room lamp parts market. Today we have telescoping aluminum light stands with meaty spuds on the end, which will take a spud-to-mic adaptor, either home-made or commercial.

I have successfully used a 1 1/2" light stand clamp (Chauvet 360deg wrap), with 3/8" stud, to firmly hold a plain 1" aluminum bar on top of a tall mic stand. Rather than use the 1 1/2" clamshell to grip the vertical stand, I modified the stud to accept the 5/8"-27 tpi ferrule , then used the 1" inserts to hold any horizontal 1" aluminum bar at any angle (rotated about its long axis)

I took a 48-inch long, 1" bar from the hardware store (same profile as the AEA ones) and used the holes in one of my many AEA bars as a template so I could lock the SMP sliders to the ends. Holes in the middle are not necessary unless an SMP slider is used with the 5/8"-27 ferrule. Positioning the bar horizontally - thin side up - inside the light clamp clam-shell results in a firm but adjustable stereo bar. AEA sell all the necessary thread adaptors and the light stand clamp can be had from any music shop selling DJ lights etc. AEA's bars are works of art, anodised black and thoughtfully marked with distances - I don't mind slinging the plain bar around and I used blackboard paint to keep the video weenies quiet. I replaced the cheap 3/8" coarse thread stud and wing nut with a stainless bolt and hex nut, which I can firm up with a crescent when it's on the top of a mic stand. I have been thinking how to use a mic quick release adaptor, so that the brass 27tpi fine threads are not constantly being worn. PM me if you need more info. merry +mas
WT

[7rojo7]

I have 6 Schoeps CCM series and I'm wondering which of the Rycoyte would the correct choice for these. Thanks

[David Spearritt]

Most of the "shock" mounts suggested here do not work. The natural frequency of the mounted microphone is way too high to provide any isolation at all. Try it. Tap the mic stand with a pen or stomp your foot on the floor next to it and listen. The Shure are way too rigid and the Rycotes as well.

The only "shock" mounts that begin to work properly are the big Neumann baskets for the M149 M150 etc. Unless the mic is flopping around and continues to wobble after the excitation for sometime, then its not going to work as a structureborne isolator.

Just buy a cheap AKG rigid plastic clip and put soft foam under the legs of your mic stand. This will recruit the mass of the mic stand to give a low enough natural frequency to be an effective isolator.

Don't succumb to the marketing hype of shock mounts and save your money.

[sonare]

Well put! Could you suggest which foam out of the myriad work best for this? I uspect 5 pound, but am wondering what you have in mind--

Rich