Originally Posted by PlugHead
OMG - this is really done well...
Originally Posted by ektia
No, it's not. Wynton Marsalis' conservatism has done more to kill jazz than anything. His lionization of Armstrong and Ellington, at the expense of more forward-looking icons, such as Ornette Coleman, is just pathetic. And, as this video demonstates, he's a mediocre improviser, at best.
so much wrong with this.
first, jazz, ostensibly, was already "dead" when wynton came on the scene nationally in the mid 80's...; miles, if you recall, had quit playing and when he came back, he was playing tunes like "human nature" and "time after time" and was, technically speaking, a shadow of the man who played "freedom jazz dance" and "nefrititi" etc. etc..
second, it was miles davis himself who blamed the death of jazz SQUARELY on ornette coleman, don cherry, eric dolphy, and the free jazz movement of the late 60's which turned off many listeners right at the time rock was making major inroads.
third, its hard to imagine ANYONE more forward looking than armstrong and ellington, since they more or less invented jazz from scratch...
if you get into the recordings of the period, and study the "hot fives" and "hot sevens" or the early duke ellington recordings from 1925 etc. w. bubber miley, and compare them to the general sounds of the day, you realize that what those guys were doing was FAR more offset and radical in the context of the times WITH the added benefit that armstrong, ellington, henderson, etc convinced society as a whole that the way they were playing was the RIGHT way!
this is something that coleman and his followers, great as they were/are, have never been able to do.
i mean, its like saying a history of rock video concentrated too much on elvis and the beatles and not enough on joe satriani.
fourth, the fact that you couldn't tell it WASN'T really wynton playing, and that the guy who spoofed it still made you think it was wynton doing "mediocre" improvising shows that you really don't know what you're talking about.
i love all these "progressive" musicians, like the cats at the new england conservatory, who talk "wynton sucks because of this... wynton sucks because of that" and then, when they are invited to get up and play with him at a master class, they forget the chords to "stella by starlight" and make fools of themselves and start trying to pluck the piano strings or buzz on their horn to compensate.
the guys who made the shredding video are all competent musicians, to be sure, but the cats who make up the lincoln center jazz orchestra are not to be sneezed at.