Colts vs Patriots game - Should Crowd Loops be used?

dr.sound · 5th November 2007

Yesterday while watching the game on CBS at 14:57 in the 4th quarter I heard a crowd loop skip. Too me it sounds like they run the loop to make the game sound like everyone
is constantly yelling. Now this article has appeared:
Patriots complain about crowd noise - NFL Experts Blog - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

santacore · 5th November 2007

That's funny and sad at the same time. I wish I would have heard it.

soundguydave · 5th November 2007

I've heard reports that it can only be heard on the CBS broadcast, and not the radio broadcast, which leads me to believe that CBS is beefing up their sound track. To me, CBS games have always sounded much better than Fox games, and now I know why.

On another note, did you see the commercial for the golden compass movie? I have seen the commercial twice in HD with my surround system on different channels (once during the game). The Center channel is coming out of the right speaker, and the Left Right front seem to be coming out of the Left front and the right surround. Very odd......

**TonyBelmont** · 5th November 2007

You can hear it in this thread:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...iots-game.html

Rick Sanchez · 18th September 2008

They seem to have learned a trick that the Rolling Stones used to use. They put crowd noise through the sound reinforcement system to get the real crowd hyped up. Sort of the Milli Vanilli of audience reaction.

starcrash13 · 18th September 2008

I was flipping through the channels the other day and I landed on Ultimate Fighting (or whatever it's called), and after I got over the initial shock of trying to understand why guys watch this crap I started to notice the "loop"-iness of the crowd cheering. It's like wall-of-sound screaming, yet as they pan around the ring, you never see one person with his mouth open. Just a dozen or so really smart and interesting lads standing around with their arms crossed.

jimlongo · 18th September 2008

I've often thought at NBA basketball games that crowdnoise is being pumped through the PA.

huub · 18th September 2008

I heard the audio and already replied in the other thread,
It's a VT (or most likely EVS machine) loop.. A fader of a replay machine was accidentally still open when the machine went into E to E, in that situation the VT machine has the input routed to the output, but with a bit of delay.. The input was most likely international sound/clean feed, and the fader was routed to that same output, thus feedback.. It is a very very common thing in tv sports production, although preferably not live on air obviously.

5th November 2007	#1
dr.sound Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 692 Thread Starter	Colts vs Patriots game - Should Crowd Loops be used? Yesterday while watching the game on CBS at 14:57 in the 4th quarter I heard a crowd loop skip. Too me it sounds like they run the loop to make the game sound like everyone is constantly yelling. Now this article has appeared: Patriots complain about crowd noise - NFL Experts Blog - NFL - Yahoo! Sports __________________ Marti D. Humphrey CAS aka dr.sound www.thedubstage.com Imdb credits http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0401937/ Like everything in life, there are no guarantee's just opportunities.

5th November 2007	#2
santacore Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 605	That's funny and sad at the same time. I wish I would have heard it. __________________ John Sanacore, CAS www.core-post.com

5th November 2007	#4
TonyBelmont Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Location: Boston,MA Providence,RI Posts: 15,929	You can hear it in this thread: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...iots-game.html __________________ Tony Belmont We Sell Gear! High Profile Audio.....PluginDiscounts.com I may on occasion talk about some of the products I am a dealer for in my posts.. and that's OK! I sell them because I like them. Not vice versa. It's more fun to talk about things you know and love, then things you don't.

18th September 2008	#6
starcrash13 Gear addict Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Marin County, CA, USA Posts: 495	I was flipping through the channels the other day and I landed on Ultimate Fighting (or whatever it's called), and after I got over the initial shock of trying to understand why guys watch this crap I started to notice the "loop"-iness of the crowd cheering. It's like wall-of-sound screaming, yet as they pan around the ring, you never see one person with his mouth open. Just a dozen or so really smart and interesting lads standing around with their arms crossed. __________________ Pascal Garneau \| IMDb www.pascalgarneau.com

18th September 2008	#7
jimlongo Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 192	I've often thought at NBA basketball games that crowdnoise is being pumped through the PA. __________________ jim longo rhythm division

5th November 2007	#3
soundguydave Gear addict Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 497	I've heard reports that it can only be heard on the CBS broadcast, and not the radio broadcast, which leads me to believe that CBS is beefing up their sound track. To me, CBS games have always sounded much better than Fox games, and now I know why. On another note, did you see the commercial for the golden compass movie? I have seen the commercial twice in HD with my surround system on different channels (once during the game). The Center channel is coming out of the right speaker, and the Left Right front seem to be coming out of the Left front and the right surround. Very odd......

18th September 2008	#5
Rick Sanchez Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2008 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 668	They seem to have learned a trick that the Rolling Stones used to use. They put crowd noise through the sound reinforcement system to get the real crowd hyped up. Sort of the Milli Vanilli of audience reaction.

18th September 2008	#8
huub Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2005 Location: amsterdam Posts: 1,208	I heard the audio and already replied in the other thread, It's a VT (or most likely EVS machine) loop.. A fader of a replay machine was accidentally still open when the machine went into E to E, in that situation the VT machine has the input routed to the output, but with a bit of delay.. The input was most likely international sound/clean feed, and the fader was routed to that same output, thus feedback.. It is a very very common thing in tv sports production, although preferably not live on air obviously.

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