need some advice for drumset mics

[goldendye]

hey,

what's your advice for a small drumkit behind a drumshield for a live musical show?

need mics for:

kick ( prefer shure beta 91 ? )

1 tom - with clams it would be fine :-)
1 stand tom - with clams it would be fine :-)
1 snare ok, with clams would be very fine ;-)
1 hihat

for overhead I want to use my tlm 103 ?!?!

thanks a lot

[NorseHorse]

At the very least, make sure you have:

Two overheads mics.
A mic on snare.
A mic on the bass drum.

Oh, and if you're going to mic the toms, I've enjoyed the CAD KBM 412 on low toms.

[Remoteness]

Well, the first thing I would do is to remove the "drum shield" you have around the kit.

I still enjoy the M88 on the foot.

I usually don't close mic the toms if I'm producing the event.

I love my M160s for overheads.
Placed properly, they capture the drum kit perfectly.
I rarely use a hi-hat mic, the overheads do the trick well for me.

You kind of really only need three mics or maybe five if you add a snare and "sweet spot" mic.

For me it's two overheads and a foot for starters and the main sound source.
Snare and sweet spot mics do come in handy when applicable.

Hey, if you only have one TLM103 consider using it on the snare.
Beliieve it or not, it's my new go to mic for snare.

[boojum]

I am just starting to play with drum set mic'ing and most of that is for local R&B and rock groups on a pro bono basis. With that in mind I went cheap and got the Shure DMK57-52 kit. Three dynamic SM57's and a Beta SM52 for the kick. These are not great mics, but they are just about indestructible and will allow me to learn some about mic'ing drum sets. I paid $330 for a new set including the clips to attach the three SM57's.

As usual, YMMV.

[Jungle Jazz]

I've been getting good results from a pair of Beyer MC930s as overheads and an AT4047 in front of the kit. You can add a mic on the snare if you need it, but you may not. I wouldn't mic the toms or hat unless there are some unusual parts that feature those pieces for extended times.

[Remoteness]

I don't know about that, they show up on band tech riders all the time.
B52 is a very good mic and have used the mic when a band rider (or sound company) requests it.

The good ol' SM57 will always be a useful microphone for the rest of eternity.
Hey, if you don't use the SM57 as a mic you can always use it as a hammer when needed -- dual purpose for life
Just make sure you use the body of the mic, not the capsule.

Originally Posted by boojum

I am just starting to play with drum set mic'ing and most of that is for local R&B and rock groups on a pro bono basis. With that in mind I went cheap and got the Shure DMK57-52 kit. Three dynamic SM57's and a Beta SM52 for the kick. These are not great mics, but they are just about indestructible and will allow me to learn some about mic'ing drum sets. I paid $330 for a new set including the clips to attach the three SM57's.

As usual, YMMV.

[theDBC]

Never worked with a shield, but after going through Shure, Sennheiser, AKG, EV and Audix I have put together a mic kit that I love.

Kick- Audix D6, (add a Sure Beta 91 if it's a metal band)
Snare - Audix i5
Hat - Oktava 012
Rack - Audix D2 or EV N/D408b depending on the drum
Floor - Audix D2, D4 or D112 depending on the drum

The Audix mics are rock solid and sound great. If you have an extra $40, get the D-Vice mounts for the toms. The D2 is also great for guitar and horns.
I love the EVs, but I only use them with drummers that know how to hit the head instead of my mic.

For several years I used the Beta 52 and liked it, but always had to scoop out the honky mids. I used a D112 for a while, but I got a D6 for a steal and couldn't be happier. The D112 and Beta 52 work mostly on floor toms or bass guitar now.

[Jim vanBergen]

I have found that for musical shows, I really like mics that clip to the kit.

So I tend to use:

-Audix D6 on kick with clamp or M88, Beta52, or RE20 in drum on pillow.

-Sennheiser 504/604/904 or D2/D4 with clip on snare, rack, and floor.

-great matched cardioid condensers for hat, OH, and ride. When space is really an issue, an XY pair over the drummer's head is great; I have often followed Abe Jacob's method of a single condenser 3' above snare drum for the entire OH persective. Sometimes it's perfect, sometimes it's nowhere near enough- but if you want to go minimal, do that + kick and listen- it can be phenomenal.

if you want more snap, Beta98s on drums can give you more stick sound, but I find the clamps more PITA than the mics are good sounding.

Cheers!