Mid Side Setup

Lord Fear · 3rd April 2005, 06:17 PM

This has probably been discussed before, and if so could someone please point me in the right direction. I was wondering how you actually set up a mid side pair on the console and tape machine. I know about the microphone polar pattern bit, and that I'm going to have to flip the phase on one side, but I would like to stop using the cheeter mid side method (the waves imager plug in) and do it right. Any help woudl be great.

Thanks

drew · 3rd April 2005, 08:05 PM

http://www.wesdooley.com/aea/library.html

start here.

fifthcircle · 4th April 2005, 08:29 PM

Set up your M-S array with the positive side of the figure 8 pattern on your left. Split that mic to two channels (or in a DAW duplicate the track), pan hard left and right and flip phase on the right side.

--Ben

tINY · 4th April 2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fifthcircle

Set up your M-S array with the positive side of the figure 8 pattern on your left. Split that mic to two channels (or in a DAW duplicate the track), pan hard left and right and flip phase on the right side.

DOn't forget to sum these signals with the "mid" mic signal and match levels if needed...

-tINY

Lord Fear · 5th April 2005, 03:39 AM

thanks

RKrizman · 5th April 2005, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fifthcircle

Set up your M-S array with the positive side of the figure 8 pattern on your left. Split that mic to two channels (or in a DAW duplicate the track), pan hard left and right and flip phase on the right side.

--Ben

That's what I thought too, but an engineer friend says there's more to it and you actually need a decoder (I just use my secret decoder ring)

By the way, I've been messing with an R84 as a side mic and am loving it.

-R

Lord Fear · 5th April 2005, 07:24 PM

you don't need a decoder i don't think, I think you can just do it

ctmartin · 5th April 2005, 11:29 PM

Translating L/R stereo to M/S would require an "encoder"... this would be useful in, for example, a mastering or broadcasting situation where you might want to compress or EQ the "middle" & the "side" differently. Obviously, a "decoder" would get you back to L/R stereo.

As for recording it & using it in the mix... right... just do it.

tINY · 6th April 2005, 12:16 AM

You could encode/decode with an FM transmitter and receiver. It's the same thing. Baseband is L+R and the offset signal is L-R

Sum and difference.....

-tINY

fifthcircle · 6th April 2005, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKrizman

That's what I thought too, but an engineer friend says there's more to it and you actually need a decoder (I just use my secret decoder ring)

Would that be the decoder ring from the cracker jack box? I find that it works well and the sound is sweet, but crunchy when hit too hard.

Quote:

By the way, I've been messing with an R84 as a side mic and am loving it.

What are you using as your Middle?

I generally use stereo mics myself for M-S work... Matched middle and side, easy to set up, etc... My latest was using the Royer SF-24 for a MS pickup and it sounded pretty awesome.

--Ben

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3rd April 2005, 06:17 PM	#1
Lord Fear Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 220	Mid Side Setup This has probably been discussed before, and if so could someone please point me in the right direction. I was wondering how you actually set up a mid side pair on the console and tape machine. I know about the microphone polar pattern bit, and that I'm going to have to flip the phase on one side, but I would like to stop using the cheeter mid side method (the waves imager plug in) and do it right. Any help woudl be great. Thanks

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fifthcircle Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,299	Set up your M-S array with the positive side of the figure 8 pattern on your left. Split that mic to two channels (or in a DAW duplicate the track), pan hard left and right and flip phase on the right side. --Ben __________________ Benjamin Maas Fifth Circle Audio Long Beach, CA http://www.fifthcircle.com

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5th April 2005, 03:39 AM	#5
Lord Fear Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 220	thanks

5th April 2005, 07:24 PM	#7
Lord Fear Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 220	you don't need a decoder i don't think, I think you can just do it

5th April 2005, 11:29 PM	#8
ctmartin Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: LaLa LAnd Posts: 58	Translating L/R stereo to M/S would require an "encoder"... this would be useful in, for example, a mastering or broadcasting situation where you might want to compress or EQ the "middle" & the "side" differently. Obviously, a "decoder" would get you back to L/R stereo. As for recording it & using it in the mix... right... just do it.

6th April 2005, 12:16 AM	#9
tINY Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 6,017	You could encode/decode with an FM transmitter and receiver. It's the same thing. Baseband is L+R and the offset signal is L-R Sum and difference..... -tINY