NEW - RADAR V AND RADAR 24

[atticus]

Let's look at it this way. If a company was selling worldclass converters at $750 for two channels they would be selling like hotcakes. This is exactly the price breakdown of the new $18,000 Radar S-Nyquist system, but you get 48 channels of conversion plus you get an ultra stable recorder, editor, and controler. This stuff cost money but I think that it's worth it. I myself will be switching to RADAR as soon as I can afford it as it will allow me to hev the best of both worlds. I can have an ultra portable, ultra stable multitrack that has zero compromises in sound and I can also send the files to my DAW to tweak as much as I want. Even though the thing is $18,000 it is still way cheaper then operating on the "pro" level 15 years ago, considering what you can get a good console for these days. Just my opinion.

[Revelation]

Everyone has different needs, and different ways of working. What is right for one person does not mean it is right for another.

You need to just check everything out and see what works best for you. My next step in my studio is to decide to get a better digital mixer, or go the controller route with the Mackie and expander with a small analog mixer. Both are great options, one is cheaper and gives you more for your money, the other gives you a better work flow.

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by Lynn Fuston
That's easy. I do it all the time. GREAT. Usually, it's the sound of three RADARs being mixed in PT.

Unless you hand any digital recorder exclusively digital inputs, then the "sound" of that recorder is the sound of the ADCs. The RADAR is great in that regard.

Not so simple. You can use any number of different converters for Protools, including Radar, and you can mix in the box, which eliminates DAC and the sound of a console.

The sound of a Radar is not just its DAC. It's also the console (or DAW) you mix it through. So in other words its hard to make a single sentence comparison between the "sound" of the two platforms.

So you track through Radar and then mix ITB in Protools? Do you use a controller or mouse?

-R

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by Fletcher
[B], plug it into a DAW and do your "extensive drum editing" [for the life of me I can not wrap around that concept... if you're looking for that much "stiff" and "perfection" program a fukking drum machine and be done with it already].... then when you're done sucking the life out of the tracks,

That is such a dead horse.

Believe me, there are other uses for a DAW.

-R

[enharmonic]

I personally get pissed off at hammers, but I am a dullard.

Drew, I respect your opinion because I respect you. If I were half the engineer that you are, I could quit my day job.

The thing that bends my mind most is that no matter how great a recording medium is or isn't, it all comes down to 16 bits if we're lucky. Seems that now more than ever it all comes down to MP3. The mass-consumed medium is a turd that can only be polished but so far. Now, what can be done with those 16 bits or that MP3? That is the 64 dollar question.

It's like buying filet mignon to make hamburger if you ask me...so I suppose its a good thing that nobody asks me.

[Ted Nightshade]

Originally posted by RKrizman
Not so simple. You can use any number of different converters for Protools, including Radar, and you can mix in the box, which eliminates DAC and the sound of a console.

The sound of a Radar is not just its DAC. It's also the console (or DAW) you mix it through. So in other words its hard to make a single sentence comparison between the "sound" of the two platforms.

So you track through Radar and then mix ITB in Protools? Do you use a controller or mouse?

-R

I'd get a RADAR if it let me mix digitally, just summing and pan, in the RADAR, at extremely high quality.

I don't have a DAW, and I don't want a DAW. I just want a way to do overdubs, and track away 2 channels at a time with an exceptional 2 channel A/D/A. Even though the RADAR ADC and DAC are very good, I don't see doing the trip back to analog and back to digital again. I want to track it right to digital and then just be able to sum it. I'd get a RADAR Project D and use my SLAM! converters.

As it is, I'll probably have to get a DAW, and then I won't need a RADAR... Frustrating, I don't want to fuk with computers and software when recording.

So for now it's still live to 2 track.

[drew]

thanks Enharmonic. Radar would be great for you since you're an artist seeking great sound and ease of use, but sometimes I have to put my turd polishing hat on and Radar doesn't cut it.

[Lynn Fuston]

Originally posted by RKrizman
So you track through Radar and then mix ITB in Protools? Do you use a controller or mouse?

For about 4 years now.

No mouse. HUI. It will do things that you can't do with just a keyboard and a mouse. And ergonomically it's very handy and small and there are dedicated buttons for the important features. I really like it a lot. More faders would sometime be nice, but I like "banking" over to the faders I need so I don't have to move from the sweet spot.

Just my opinion.

[JohnMcD]

Well, I'm sure I'm the first to go from Radar to Pro Tools. It sucks for me. I have an excellent Nyquist card and a brand new multi drive installed with the latest OS update...But no, my clientelle want, no, need Pro Tools. It is crazy. I have a fantastic setup, but they would refuse to work with me due to not having Pro Tools. I've had an artist pull up in their tour bus. They would come in, admire the place and then drop the bomb. "Do you have Pro Tools?" I tell 'em, "Uh, no, I have a Radar though." They look at me with a blank stare, say a few words and are whisked away. A true story.

But before the holidays, I'm still loving the Radar. I don't know too much about the Radar V, but it sounds most excellent. I envy those that use these units.

-John

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by JohnMcD
[B]Well, I'm sure I'm the first to go from Radar to Pro Tools. It sucks for me. I have an excellent Nyquist card and a brand new multi drive installed with the latest OS update...But no, my clientelle want, no, need Pro Tools. It is crazy. I have a fantastic setup, but they would refuse to work with me due to not having Pro Tools.

Maybe they want to have a way to listen to their multitracks!

Or do you have a console to go with the Radar?

-R

[JohnMcD]

I got a console to go with the Radar. Clients are always impressed with that. Although, what they always want is Pro Tools. I could have the biggest SSL 9000J or a Neve 88R stocked full, but it doesn't matter. These guys aren't impressed with how much you got. It is what you can do or work with their material. They want to work the way they have been. It isn't about being able to hear the multi-tracks. I just cut them a mixdown after the session. From my talk with two local DJ/Producers is this: They want to move around! They want to go to X studio and record with their mic pres. Then go to Y studio for the big mixing on the console. Toss it to their friend who is known for hot editing and then back to home base at X studio.

I was told that a lot of these type of clients are pretty "flighty". Not only can they save mucho money doing it this way, but they get the most control over their project. More skilled hands rather than stretching one engineer plus gear to the limit.

I acquiece to the Pro Tools system. For the longest time I've been fighting an uphill battle with Pro Tools where I'm located. It is an Industry Standard when everyday people use it as well as top professionals. I acknowledge it and am doing a fast study of Pro Tools before I start the process of changing my Hard Disk Recorder.

But don't get me wrong, I think the Radar is excellent in functionality as well as high end sound. One example: the crossfades and trimming ends are so intuitive, I only have to do one rudimentary chop or trim and it sounds as if the recording was recorded that way! Brilliant programming! It has saved my ass countless times.

-John

[Albert_gabriel]

Hi,
i own a AWS 948 and think about getting the Radar V 48trk to get away from DAW instability and lets call it beeing "screenaddicted". I really like the way Radar acts like good old taperecorders.

So my question: Did anybody get a HUI (i'd like to use my AWS) controller managing Radar's transport and REC/PBK-state functions? I don't need the full list of commands my AWS offers to control ProTools or any other DAW. it would be enough to run a recording/mixdown session from the sweetspot using the basic commands needed for that purpose.

All editing should be done from radar's procontrol as it is the fastet and intuitive way on that workstation - if the AWS can do that also ...nice feature let me know how you managed doing so.
regards, albert.

[Mike O]

Originally Posted by Albert_gabriel

Hi,
i own a AWS 948 and think about getting the Radar V 48trk to get away from DAW instability and lets call it beeing "screenaddicted". I really like the way Radar acts like good old taperecorders.

So my question: Did anybody get a HUI (i'd like to use my AWS) controller managing Radar's transport and REC/PBK-state functions? I don't need the full list of commands my AWS offers to control ProTools or any other DAW. it would be enough to run a recording/mixdown session from the sweetspot using the basic commands needed for that purpose.

All editing should be done from radar's procontrol as it is the fastet and intuitive way on that workstation - if the AWS can do that also ...nice feature let me know how you managed doing so.
regards, albert.

I'd call Barry at iZ (Radar). There are a lot of users of Radar that are not on GS and he might have already worked with someone to control Radar from AWS.

[tekis]

RADAR responds to the Sony 9 pin protocol. I think I kinda miss my RADAR's...

[Albert_gabriel]

Thanks Mike & Tekis,
i will call Barry during this week and let y'all know if there's a HUI implementation or workaround.
The AWS doesn't support the sony 9-pin, synchronization is MIDI or Midi-over-LAN and transport can be realized through Pro Tools and Avid Sync as far as i know...
Maybe there are HUI to Sony-9-pin converters? i have no idea if that exists.

[brew]

Good, well built, but legacy technology. Hard to justify for someone comfortable optimizing their own DAW. 48 tracks in 8U (???), no PSU redundancy that I can tell. Good if you have extra money, want a tape machine with no screen, or other no fuss solution (are a musician with no tech interest).

Any PC that has never been on the internet is as reliable if not loaded up with 3rd party stuff, of course, this is not a surprise. RADAR is not made of mystical proprietary components unbeknownst to the larger PC industry, but their use of separate analog/digital PSUs is unique.

There is no such thing as HUI to 9pin. Transport is all on the DAW side now, since new consoles like the AWS are not "masters" and do not generate their own timecode. Pro Tools does 9pin with the $800 MachineControl package, SYNC, and a 9pin dongle--you might not even need the SYNC.

So if you want to control your RADAR from your AWS, it happens by nature of the AWS controlling PT with HUI > PT controlling RADAR with 9pin. RADAR accepts MTC on MIDI DIN, and so does the AWS, so you can use the SYNC's dedicated MTC out connected to the SSL or the RADAR for timecode for automation. MTC is described in the manual.