Little gig report..

huub · 26th June 2008

Hii all,
This week I went to the olympia club in paris, france to record a concert by a certain eccentric icelandic singer..
Her band had a drummer, acoustic harpsichord, a ten piece brass section and lots of keys and freaky electronic instruments which totalled 64 channels.. We obviously had to record a bunch of ambience mics too, as this was a recording for a dvd and will be mixed in surround..
We brought a bss active splitter, 24 of those channels had the simple version, with only a '0dB' or '20dB' switch, and no attenuation.. I will for sure not rent these again.. All went well, but it's really scary to not be able to attenuate line level sources..

This is the 48 channel 'good version' we also brought.

I would prefer just a transformer, and thus only using a micamp in the truck, but with al this light crap at video shoots, I always go active, mostly to avoid light-buzz problems..

What's your opinion on this?

We put out dpa shotguns (nice mics!) a bunch of km140's, and a crown pcc (mid front) for ambi, and recorded to 64 channels madi pyramix, and recorded ambi mics to a chasing REAPER rig, with RME madi card.. worked perfectly!! The RME card has low enough latency to monitor through the machine, and reaper is rock solid..
Obviously I recorded backup to both HDcam and a huge tascam DA rig.

This was one part, there were more machines.. crappy nineties tape crap...I hope to get some X48's for future backup..

A dpa and neumann, seemingly working wirelessly

I once again had no time to take nice pictures..
mixing and recording took place in our awesome cinevideogroup OBV-15 P1000399.JPG on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

huub

Legacy · 27th June 2008

Hey Huub,

Nice. Thanks for posting. Yeah, I've noticed you seem to specialize in those "little" gigs;-). Pretty cool stuff you end up working on.
Will you be mixing for the final release as well?

Hope all is well,
Silas

huub · 27th June 2008

Hi silas,

I only mix the final product when a gig goes out on live broadcast really.. I mix dvd's every once in a while, but only dutch productions.. The recording/soundsupervision side of things goes pretty well though.. Next week the new mika dvd in paris..

You're on masscore right?
Do you think it's ready for live recording yet? (my guess would be 'no')

audiovisceral · 27th June 2008

holy shit! bet that was awesome fun though. i love crazy instruments (and crazy singers? lol). breaks the monotony.

how was she? good performance i hope.

huub · 27th June 2008

Yeah, the performance was really good.. The crazy electronic instruments included a jazzmutant lemur, reactable and some square thingy with lights that light up when you touch them.. no idea what that was.. (edit: googled it.. it's a yamaha tenori-on.. Tenori-on Joins BjÃ¶rk’s Band » Synthtopia )
The venue was really good sounding and the FOH guy (kevin pruce) mixed really well, so the ambience mics sounded good!

Legacy · 27th June 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by huub

Hi silas,

I only mix the final product when a gig goes out on live broadcast really.. I mix dvd's every once in a while, but only dutch productions.. The recording/soundsupervision side of things goes pretty well though.. Next week the new mika dvd in paris..

You're on masscore right?
Do you think it's ready for live recording yet? (my guess would be 'no')

Yep, MassCore Pyramix in the studio. None of us have tried V6 on the road yet. Although I haven't experienced anything in the studio that would cause me not to its just that the road recorders are working nicely now......

And we don't really have the need for the extra DSP on location. With the sort of things you're doing I would imagine you could use the extra horsepower.

FWIW, on my Core2 Duo in the studio I haven't been able to break 20% DSP usage yet on any actual projects. Got up to 40 tracks @ 2fs with multiple auxes and busses and tons of FX and hit 18%. On a QuadCore I haven't seen it go over 10% very often.

Enjoy Paris!
-Silas

Roland · 28th June 2008

As I have already let Huub know, but for the information of others, I'm running Pyramix 6 with Masscore. I have used it on a couple of sessions with 10-20 inputs, however I have also run some comprehensive soak tests of 48 tracks 44.1/24 with 48-2 mixers eq and comps on every channel using about 7%. My machine is overspeced on the current "approved" Merging system, however the guys there have started testing the same motherboard type I''m using and are aware of my system being stable.

Regards to all

Roland

Svens · 6th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by huub

...but it's really scary to not be able to attenuate line level sources..

huub

Hi Huub,

Are all the mic-signals converted to line level and then reach your mobile when you use this splitter? Build in BSS preamps? I use the same splitters every now and then, and never had problems with em, since everything that reached the mobile was mic-level...

Cheers,
Sven

mpdonahue · 6th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roland

As I have already let Huub know, but for the information of others, I'm running Pyramix 6 with Masscore. I have used it on a couple of sessions with 10-20 inputs, however I have also run some comprehensive soak tests of 48 tracks 44.1/24 with 48-2 mixers eq and comps on every channel using about 7%. My machine is overspeced on the current "approved" Merging system, however the guys there have started testing the same motherboard type I''m using and are aware of my system being stable.
Regards to all
Roland

We're out right now with a 32 track DSD system. I wouldn't say that it was without problem, but after a fair bit or system tuning and tweaking, we got it to work reliably. We are using the Foxconn "Black Ops" board with a Q9450.
All the best,
-mark

huub · 15th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svens

Hi Huub,

Are all the mic-signals converted to line level and then reach your mobile when you use this splitter? Build in BSS preamps? I use the same splitters every now and then, and never had problems with em, since everything that reached the mobile was mic-level...

Cheers,
Sven

Yes, converted to line level using the bss preamps..
ofcourse it's a shame to not use my awesome lawo preamps, but with long cable runs and lots and lots of dimmed light power cables, it's just necessary to run line level to not get buzz, hum and what not ..
Also,the bss pre amps are virtually noisefree and flat, so nothing wrong with em..

But with line level sources I meant keys, laptops, protools backing tracks and such..

newyorker42 · 16th July 2008

Totally off topic here, but a nice story, I think...

I was at one of my favorite New York restaurants this past spring and there was a young child running around the place a little bit, playing in her own world as kids do. I was struck by how completely happy and at ease this child seemed and said to my dinner companion, "Wow, she must have great parents that really do things right."

Later my dinner companion told me that a certain Icelandic singer was sitting behind me and I turned and saw that certain Icelandic singer and her certain artist husband... and that the child was their own.

So it seems they got it right artistically and on the home front.

26th June 2008	#1
huub Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2005 Location: amsterdam Posts: 1,208 Thread Starter	Little gig report.. Hii all, This week I went to the olympia club in paris, france to record a concert by a certain eccentric icelandic singer.. Her band had a drummer, acoustic harpsichord, a ten piece brass section and lots of keys and freaky electronic instruments which totalled 64 channels.. We obviously had to record a bunch of ambience mics too, as this was a recording for a dvd and will be mixed in surround.. We brought a bss active splitter, 24 of those channels had the simple version, with only a '0dB' or '20dB' switch, and no attenuation.. I will for sure not rent these again.. All went well, but it's really scary to not be able to attenuate line level sources.. This is the 48 channel 'good version' we also brought. I would prefer just a transformer, and thus only using a micamp in the truck, but with al this light crap at video shoots, I always go active, mostly to avoid light-buzz problems.. What's your opinion on this? We put out dpa shotguns (nice mics!) a bunch of km140's, and a crown pcc (mid front) for ambi, and recorded to 64 channels madi pyramix, and recorded ambi mics to a chasing REAPER rig, with RME madi card.. worked perfectly!! The RME card has low enough latency to monitor through the machine, and reaper is rock solid.. Obviously I recorded backup to both HDcam and a huge tascam DA rig. This was one part, there were more machines.. crappy nineties tape crap...I hope to get some X48's for future backup.. A dpa and neumann, seemingly working wirelessly I once again had no time to take nice pictures.. mixing and recording took place in our awesome cinevideogroup OBV-15 P1000399.JPG on Flickr - Photo Sharing! huub

27th June 2008	#2
Legacy Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 635	Hey Huub, Nice. Thanks for posting. Yeah, I've noticed you seem to specialize in those "little" gigs;-). Pretty cool stuff you end up working on. Will you be mixing for the final release as well? Hope all is well, Silas __________________ Silas Brown Legacy Sound High-End Location Recording Legacy Mastering Mastering for classical, jazz, and acoustic music

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audiovisceral Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,546	holy shit! bet that was awesome fun though. i love crazy instruments (and crazy singers? lol). breaks the monotony. how was she? good performance i hope.

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Roland Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2002 Location: St Leonards on Sea, England Posts: 2,133 2 Reviews written	As I have already let Huub know, but for the information of others, I'm running Pyramix 6 with Masscore. I have used it on a couple of sessions with 10-20 inputs, however I have also run some comprehensive soak tests of 48 tracks 44.1/24 with 48-2 mixers eq and comps on every channel using about 7%. My machine is overspeced on the current "approved" Merging system, however the guys there have started testing the same motherboard type I''m using and are aware of my system being stable. Regards to all Roland

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newyorker42 Gear Head Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 67	Totally off topic here, but a nice story, I think... I was at one of my favorite New York restaurants this past spring and there was a young child running around the place a little bit, playing in her own world as kids do. I was struck by how completely happy and at ease this child seemed and said to my dinner companion, "Wow, she must have great parents that really do things right." Later my dinner companion told me that a certain Icelandic singer was sitting behind me and I turned and saw that certain Icelandic singer and her certain artist husband... and that the child was their own. So it seems they got it right artistically and on the home front.