Monitor speakers for location recording vehicles...

[bongo]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

See, that's the thing...

Is there a speaker system out there that can work for all genres of music without any compromises?

Rock, Jazz, Funk, R&B, Classical, Choral styles and such.
The question is, Can one speaker system do it all?

Yep Barefoots. Right off the Vintake King website.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

[videoteque]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[audio ergo sum]

Remoteness,

I would be interested to know what you got in the end and how your experiences are.
Thanks
aes

[XLR2XLR]

I believe anything that has a deep response below 50Hz or so is going to generate some very inncaurate low end in a van/truck. I think I would use a Dynaudio BM6A or P which I already use and know very well, why change, I know them and the bass tip up from rear port can be countered or understood.

Space and accuracy are at stake in a van/truck.

I like silk dome tweeters cause thats what many people use, it's closer to what the end user will be using and they are NOT fatiguing unless they are rubbish tweeters.

You know I saw a pair of Adam A7's and tapped the side, awful cabinet, I want to hear the drivers not the box ! (try that with a BM6 and you heard a very solid deep clonk, not a hollow cheap sounding tapping sound with a high res point.
They seem like a real cheap crappy box to me and the price shows it.

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by audio ergo sum

Remoteness,

I would be interested to know what you got in the end and how your experiences are.
Thanks
aes

Well, believe it or not the jury is still out, but I'm leaning towards the Focal Twin6 Be monitors for the surround speaker set-up and a set of Klein & Hummel O 410s and O 300s as additional stereo pairs.

[audio ergo sum]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

Well, believe it or not the jury is still out, but I'm leaning towards the Focal Twin6 Be monitors for the surround speaker set-up and a set of Klein & Hummel O 410s and O 300s as additional stereo pairs.

Thanks, interesting. Over here in Germany you have to look hard to find a high-end recording van that does not have a ME Geithain monitoring in them. They have this bass-cardioid characteristics which supposedly is really helpful for taming modes in small spaces. But I also like the K&H a lot. Don't know the Focals.

[Remoteness]

Tell me more about the ME Geithain speakers...

I never heard of them.
Do you have a link or any pictures to share?

Furthermore, which model are you suggesting for my dual wall expando truck?

Originally Posted by audio ergo sum

Thanks, interesting. Over here in Germany you have to look hard to find a high-end recording van that does not have a ME Geithain monitoring in them. They have this bass-cardioid characteristics which supposedly is really helpful for taming modes in small spaces. But I also like the K&H a lot. Don't know the Focals.

[audio ergo sum]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

Tell me more about the ME Geithain speakers...

I never heard of them.
Do you have a link or any pictures to share?

Furthermore, which model are you suggesting for my dual wall expando truck?

ME-Geithain | deutsch
I would look into any of the K models (K for Bass Kardioid)
For a big van with expandable walls the 933K might be a reasonable size.
The developer told me once they do design their speakers very much around directivity indexes for an optimal listening distance.
They are a very likable company with little marketing mumbo jumbo, their website looks ancient but they make great high end 'workhorse' speakers for pro audio. You can tell by the little features like the automatic gain reduction if overloaded or the delay when powered on, so they come online after the desk and D/A etc. The German main broadcasters have made them kind of 'standard' monitors, also because they work for a wide range of repertoire from classical to pop. I don't know about their US representation, to get you a pair for testing.

[roonsbane]

Steve,

Unless you have completely ruled out rear ported speakers, make sure you check out the Dynaudio Air 15's and Air 6's. I hear details on these things that I have not heard on other systems. I haven't heard every speaker mentioned so far, but many I have heard. I would be surprised if these did not hold their own with any of them. It would make one hell of a powerful 5.1 system. The remote gives you several reference settings and the ability to solo and mute any of the speakers. They also sell a software system to change the DSP within the speaker to tweak each speaker to the room. Unfortunately, this software is pretty pricey.

My understanding is that they use a phaseless digital crossover within the speaker which of course avoids the usual nasty crossover issues. They have a smoothness in the midrange that is pretty special. The speaker is fully digital but does have an on board analog input if needed. To me they sound similar to much more expensive B&W's with rediculous imaging.

I am curious to see what you decide on. I love doing shootouts.

Cameron

[Sound Chaser]

I'm just a JBL fan. Been addicted to them for 35 years way back when they owned the industry. Kind of like the cult of Harley Davidson.

Seriously, these are great monitors. Their RMC (room mode calibration) identifies and controls the dominant mode between 26Hz to 96Hz.

JBL--dynamic realism....what? WHAT? Did you say something? Speak up!

[bove]

Elroy is pretty spacious... Perhaps some of the full size ATCs would work well in there. You can do nice work on these.

SCM 50, 100, or 150.

From ATC, I wouldn't just consider the SCM20s.


Lipinski 707s would be nice too.

[klaukholm]

The lipinskis are actually very good in this situation. They are light in the bass, but with a sub they match my BW801s. The bass information without a sub is very clear, so with a sub you can listen with and without the sub to great effect.
we got them for location use where we have to build control rooms, sometimes in problematic spaces.

[Remoteness]

I felt everyone interested in this discussion should know what my final decision was...

I decided to go with Focal Twin6 Be speakers for my main 5.1 & 2.0 speaker systems.
They sound simply fabulous in Elroy.

As a matter of fact we became a Focal shop; meaning I plan to install Focal Twin6 Be speakers in The Bread Mobile and in Cosmo when that rig is completed.

I am so excited about the installation of these fine speakers and wanted every one to know the good news!

[philper]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

I felt everyone interested in this discussion should know what my final decision was...

I decided to go with Focal Twin6 Be speakers for my main 5.1 & 2.0 speaker systems.
They sound simply fabulous in Elroy.

As a matter of fact we became a Focal shop; meaning I plan to install Focal Twin6 Be speakers in The Bread Mobile and in Cosmo when that rig is completed.

I am so excited about the installation of these fine speakers and wanted every one to know the good news!

Interesting--I went out to buy some new monitors for my small studio and mobile (van, not truck), expecting to come home w/ Focals (65s or Solo 6s), and they didn't raise my pulse at all. I was very surprised-this on many types of music etc I was very familiar with. I ended up w/ PMC, and am very happy.

Philip Perkins

[DannyL]

I see a lot of Genelecs, though I am not a huge fan, at least I know what to expect. The 1030's and the 1031's were pretty good in trucks.

I always liked the Meyers HD-1's.

I have a pair of Dynaudio BM15A's, I would be curious how they would work in a truck. I often take them with me, when working in other facilities.

I work in television so most often I have no choice what the mobile unit provides. I have found that it is more about the room construction than the monitors used. The same is actually true of any facility, whether remote or studio.

Danny

[Remoteness]

Originally Posted by philper

Interesting--I went out to buy some new monitors for my small studio and mobile (van, not truck), expecting to come home w/ Focals (65s or Solo 6s), and they didn't raise my pulse at all. I was very surprised-this on many types of music etc I was very familiar with. I ended up w/ PMC, and am very happy.

Philip Perkins

Philip,

I also checked out the CMS65s and Solo6s and felt the same as you.
I really wanted the CMS65s to work as our 5.1 speakers because they would have fit perfectly in Elroy, the Twin6 Be speakers just blow me away. I can listen to them all day long.

Originally Posted by DannyL

I see a lot of Genelecs, though I am not a huge fan, at least I know what to expect. The 1030's and the 1031's were pretty good in trucks.

I always liked the Meyers HD-1's.

I have a pair of Dynaudio BM15A's, I would be curious how they would work in a truck. I often take them with me, when working in other facilities.

I work in television so most often I have no choice what the mobile unit provides. I have found that it is more about the room construction than the monitors used. The same is actually true of any facility, whether remote or studio.

Danny

Yes, Danny you are right. There are a lot of Genelec 1030s and 1031s in trucks.
I have mixed most of my work on 1031s and I know exactly where I stand with them, but they sounded to forward to me and I wanted something else. The Focal Twin6s seemed to be the perfect speaker for me.

That said, on Elroy and TBM (Cosmo when completed) a client or engineer can ask for any speaker the want from our inventory or we can cross rent or they can bring in their own.

I too liked the Meyers HD1s, but they never could get loud enough for me.
I don't always monitor loud, but from time to time I do like to hear things much louder than they can handle.

I bet the Dynaudio BM15As would sound nice in a truck.
A friend of mine designed his own speakers using Dynaudio parts and they sounded nice in Jethro.

For us at Aura-Sonic, it's about having options; if we have it or can get it it's on your session!

[DannyL]

Originally Posted by Remoteness;

Yes, Danny you are right. There are a lot of Genelec 1030s and 1031s in trucks.
I have mixed most of my work on 1031s and I know exactly where I stand with them, but they sounded to forward to me and I wanted something else. The Focal Twin6s seemed to be the perfect speaker for me.

That said, on Elroy and TBM (Cosmo when completed) a client or engineer can ask for any speaker the want from our inventory or we can cross rent or they can bring in their own.

I too liked the Meyers HD1s, but they never could get loud enough for me.
I don't always monitor loud, but from time to time I do like to hear things much louder than they can handle.

I bet the Dynaudio BM15As would sound nice in a truck.
A friend of mine designed his own speakers using Dynaudio parts and they sounded nice in Jethro.

For us at Aura-Sonic, it's about having options; if we have it or can get it it's on your session!

I recall using a pair of Genelec 1031's on both Jethro and The Bread Mobile.
I agree, they are bit too forward (or something). Maybe next time I see your truck I can check out the Focal's. They are getting quite a bit of good press, so to speak.

And I must say that no matter what the situation, your flexible approach to client satisfaction works extremely well. I personally have done Jazz, Gospel and Golf on your units and they never failed to deliver perfection.

[Remoteness]

Yes indeed, the Genelec 1031s were standard on Jethro and will be an option on The Bread Mobile, Elroy and Cosmo.

I cannot wait to demo the Twin6s for you.
You will dig them much.

I'm very fond of the PGA 88 we did together on The Bread Mobile for CBS Sports.
Your sound design and interfacing of those two DiGiCo D5s was simply awesome.
Hundreds of inputs and outputs for the back 9 effects.
That was an event that I will not forget.
You rawked it hard!!

Originally Posted by DannyL

I recall using a pair of Genelec 1031's on both Jethro and The Bread Mobile.
I agree, they are bit too forward (or something). Maybe next time I see your truck I can check out the Focal's. They are getting quite a bit of good press, so to speak.

And I must say that no matter what the situation, your flexible approach to client satisfaction works extremely well. I personally have done Jazz, Gospel and Golf on your units and they never failed to deliver perfection.

[Russell Dawkins]

So, did you get to audition the K+H 0300s and the 0410s?

How would you characterize the difference between them and the Focal Twins?

Thanks.

[Petrus]

If you think about workplace safety, choose Genelecs: nice rounded corners...

New coaxial three-way might be perfect: GENELEC

[dj.quash]

Genelic 8020b's are what i use for location work. Grill over driver and tweeter, portable bag, beautiful sound and they sound much bigger than they are.

[philper]

Originally Posted by Remoteness

Philip,

I also checked out the CMS65s and Solo6s and felt the same as you.
I really wanted the CMS65s to work as our 5.1 speakers because they would have fit perfectly in Elroy, the Twin6 Be speakers just blow me away. I can listen to them all day long.



Yes, Danny you are right. There are a lot of Genelec 1030s and 1031s in trucks.
I have mixed most of my work on 1031s and I know exactly where I stand with them, but they sounded to forward to me and I wanted something else. The Focal Twin6s seemed to be the perfect speaker for me.

That said, on Elroy and TBM (Cosmo when completed) a client or engineer can ask for any speaker the want from our inventory or we can cross rent or they can bring in their own.

I too liked the Meyers HD1s, but they never could get loud enough for me.
I don't always monitor loud, but from time to time I do like to hear things much louder than they can handle.

I bet the Dynaudio BM15As would sound nice in a truck.
A friend of mine designed his own speakers using Dynaudio parts and they sounded nice in Jethro.

For us at Aura-Sonic, it's about having options; if we have it or can get it it's on your session!

I'll admit that I didn't let myself listen to the Focal Twins that day--couldn't afford them, and needed something smaller. I'm glad you found something you like, when I get the urge/need to remonitor again and have the bread I'll test drive the Twins for sure.

Philip Perkins

[Teddy Ray]

Originally Posted by Petrus

If you think about workplace safety, choose Genelecs: nice rounded corners...

New coaxial three-way might be perfect: GENELEC

He already chose his speakers..