Yamaha MG series with compression for a live board?

[cynic one]

Yo slutz, looking to hook up a live rig for some shows.

At first I was checking out the Yamaha 01v + mlan card. I like that setup because it gives me compression / fx on each mic channel, and an audio interface to hook up to my laptop.

However, looks like that setup would run me around $1k+ for the mixer + mlan. I'm now checking out the new Yamaha MG with that "one knob" compression on each channel. Looks like it might be cheaper, and I've heard some bad things about the sound of the non-01v96.

Anyone using this setup? How are the compressors? I'm mainly interested in using them to bring vox up to snuff for some live shows, and mixing the output with an ableton live backing track.

Suggestions?

[aussie_techie]

you need to work out what you actually need out of a desk first.
an O1V and an MG are entirely different animals built for different purposes.

the low end MGs dont have a pad and if you mix a hard hitting drummer or loud guitar amps the pres will clip and they dont have enough aux send for most situations. an O1V very configurable as to what you need while have the usual benefits and drawbacks of a digital console. you need to work out what you need and which of those things wil land wont be an issue to you.

[cynic one]

Originally Posted by aussie_techie

you need to work out what you actually need out of a desk first.
an O1V and an MG are entirely different animals built for different purposes.

the low end MGs dont have a pad and if you mix a hard hitting drummer or loud guitar amps the pres will clip and they dont have enough aux send for most situations. an O1V very configurable as to what you need while have the usual benefits and drawbacks of a digital console. you need to work out what you need and which of those things wil land wont be an issue to you.

yo....i said exactly what i needed the board for. did you not read the post?

i do rap, i dont have live drummers or guitars.

also - anyone have input on running mlan as their audio interface? good latency and all that?

[aussie_techie]

Originally Posted by cynic

yo....i said exactly what i needed the board for. did you not read the post?

there was no mention of what you will be micing, or line level inputs, nothing about what you will be feeding, foh, monitors, fx, you havnt even say how many channels you might need.

Originally Posted by cynic

i do rap, i dont have live drummers or guitars.

you never said that in the original post.

but hey if you reckon you have everything sused out then why bother asking.

[cynic one]

did you not read this part.......?

I'm mainly interested in using them to bring vox up to snuff for some live shows, and mixing the output with an ableton live backing track.

VOCALS....mic inputs, and a stereo pair from the computer.

anyone else actually have experience with these boards and can drop some science without the bullshit?

thanks.

[KeithMoonwannabe]

I'd say go try them out for yourself and quit flaming everyone for trying to help you....A lot of it will depend on what type of mix you are configuring which is what aussie_techie was asking you. It's not dropping bull-shit (pardon the language) or science. You can't logically answer your questions without more information on what you need it for.

No of inputs would mean an actual number not the type of sources alone? (are you talking one vocalist or twenty vocalists and how would we know this without being mind-readers)
if you have two vocalists and left and right from your music than that's 4 channels of inputs

Why do you need on-board compression/effects at all if you only need it for vocals?
Just buy an outboard piece like a dBX or something. Why compress the vocals at all for that matter? obviously you have a sound in your head. Built in effects on small format mixers are usually crap.

Does this have to double as a mixer and interface?
if so....
I guess if you want something small and inexpensive check out the Allen and Heath ZED14 mixer. I'm not sure if that's going to help you or not. But the sound quality and durability will be phenomenal. If you need effects just buy a rackmounted multi-effects unit or two and run them through the boards send/return. That will almost always sound better than anything built into a channel strip until you really start dropping bills. Lexicon and dbx make some great inexpensive products.

but without knowing much of how many auxes you need, etc....I have no idea what to suggest

good luck figuring things out

[KeithMoonwannabe]

one last thing sound is SUBJECTIVE regardless of personal experiences different people come from different styles, cultures, etc. we all hear things differently, what it sounds like to me or anyone else but you is irrelevant because it's YOUR MUSIC and YOUR MONEY get what YOU THINK SOUNDS BEST.

[cynic one]

maybe 8-16 channels is all i need. i'd like our live show to sound as close to cd as possible. already have an ensoniq dp/4 for effects. just didn't want to buy separate compressors. that cost would add up quick.

i was looking at an all-in-one to keep costs down so i could get rolling immediately instead of saving more and waiting and piecing shit together.

on top of that, gear that does more = less shit to carry = the easier it is to get my shit to different gigs.

anyhow, thanks.

[Wayne]

Here's something that may be of interest. These are not the ones with on board comps -it is possible the setup may not apply.
Peak with condenser mics - Home Recording dot com BBS

[Chaellus]

i have this min mixer and its pretty good soundwise..but i do not own the version with the knob...the one i have is out of production and i tihnk is the better one of the 2.....at that price the compressors are likley to really suck....but surprisingly the whole mixer itself is relaly good and it should be good enough for you i would belive.

[cynic one]

actually i just found this - and i think it's just what i'm looking for:

M-AUDIO - NRV10 - 10 x 10 FireWire Digital Audio Interface | 8 x 2 Analog Mixer with Effects

ebay prices don't look too bad either. around $600