Live Worship Recording (Rock w/ choir)

[Heartfelt]

I am in the process of acquiring a job on staff at a local church. One thing we brainstormed on was live recording for CD.

I am looking at a midrange package to get started. I had been thinking about using Echo Audio AF12's (3X) and using a mixer for 32ish pre's. I am considering an Onyx or A&H or using their existing Yamaha M7CL.

From there I would pick out a lead vocal chain, home built computer, location monitors, widgets and wrap things up for the short term.

One thing I keep seeing here in you rigs is Presonus gear and I see it in the midst of Genelec and other higher end gear. It appears that Presonus has a great rep for live. i would love to hear some input on it or the Echo gear.

Also, on the presonus, it appears that it has Adat out and not firewire.


questions
How is ADAT being capture on a PC?
Is Firewire for 32 tracks a no-no?
Any thoughts on the mixers for pres?


Of course, the converters and pres are not the entire budget but I thought I would start here.


Thanks in advance for any insight.
Rob

[bengl3rt]

Definitely a vote for Presonus. I don't see why you need a mixer when you can just chain a bunch of their Digimax FS units through a Firestudio. The preamps might not be *quite* as good as A&H but it simplifies things a lot and takes up much less space. Plus, nice and rack-mountable!

[Heartfelt]

OK, I spoke with Presonus today and have a new understanding of what is possible. I also read the reviews including a review by MIX and there seems to be a lot of people happy with the Digimaxes, including the pres.

They told me that in a month or so, they will have a Firestudio Light Pipe which means my setup could be:

4 Digimax FS
1 Firestudio Light Pipe

Pretty amazing that it would cover allow 32 in in that kind of space and for that kind of money.

• In going that route, any thoughts HERE about the pres?
• With this rack, would you prefer a Big Ben or maybe a Lucid clock?
• Would you use an ACP 88 or another multipchannel Comp to limit?
• I am thinking of inserting a 2-1176 on the 2 main voxs, thoughts?

[Chunky But Funky]

Thoughts from a recent 500 series convert: What about an API lunchbox with 2 Avedis MA5's and 2 Purple Actions instead of the UA 2-1176? For about the same price, maybe a little more, you could have premium pre's and 1176 style compression. You would have two slots open for EQ of your choice when budget permitted, unless you loved your console eq, and be able to have 2 full channel strips for lead vox. I have an early Presonus MP 20 (w/ Jensen) and just upgraded to some higher end pre's. There really is no comparison. Vox are, or should be, the primary focus of the mix in a praise & worship setting. Ignore all of the above if you already own the UA 2-1176.

Doug

[shaddai]

Are they using any of the card slots in the M7CL? I'm not sure what the live situation is like, but if they aren't using the direct outs to power an Aviom rig, then you should be able to use them to record from, and use the pres that are already in the m7cl.

The Yamaha MY16-AT gives 16 adat outs off 1 card, and you'll have to check to make sure the m7cl can give 16 channels to 1 slot in the m7cl software. If it can, 2 cards and a firestudio would be quite a bit cheaper than the batch of digimaxes.

Todd

[Heartfelt]

Thanks for the input guys.

I just found out that they have a Soundcraft K2, so I am going back to the Audiofire 12's for conversion.

I have been toying with the idea of using 500 type pres. I was looking at the 7th circle stuff, specifically the neve and api clones.

I plan to submit 3 proposals. The first is bare ones and will only include the converters and I am considering a Vintech 1272. From there, I am looking at a Liquid mix and upgrading my waves to Gold.

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On the second, which is probably what they will opt for, I will have room for a lunchbox. That is where I am looking at putting the better pres and a comp or 2.

I was considering a 2-1176 and a rack of neve/api clones or a Vintech 473. It seems like neve flavors may be the safest and most versatile.

I didn't know there were 500 series 1176ish comps. I REALLY appreciate the heads up and will look into those. I think I will skip any comps, outside of the good stuff. I think I feel better about not commiting compression to tape, on most instruments and using compression later.

Thanks again.
Rob

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by shaddai

Are they using any of the card slots in the M7CL? I'm not sure what the live situation is like, but if they aren't using the direct outs to power an Aviom rig, then you should be able to use them to record from, and use the pres that are already in the m7cl.

The Yamaha MY16-AT gives 16 adat outs off 1 card, and you'll have to check to make sure the m7cl can give 16 channels to 1 slot in the m7cl software. If it can, 2 cards and a firestudio would be quite a bit cheaper than the batch of digimaxes.

Todd

Yes,
They are using an aviom. I also didn't know if the EQ and compression used for FOH would show up on the recording sends and being that I just discovered the K2, I will leave it alone.

Thanks
Rob

[shaddai]

I also didn't know if the EQ and compression used for FOH would show up on the recording sends

FWIW.....Nope..just gotta re-assign where the direct out comes from in the software. You can re-arrange a 48 channel board in about 3 mins.

todd