Reverb help ambient/classical crossover

[butterfly]

Hi fellas, wonder if anyone could help me out here I would have posted this in the work in progress section but have a feeling it will probably get ignored. I am working on a song which mixes an electronic/acoustic and classical vibe and thought this might be the best place for some input. Problem is the vocal, I'm looking for a warm atmospheric verb, not neccessarily realistic but atmospheric. I only have access to waves and have tweaked a true verb but think it could be improved. I am thinking about maybe hiring a tc 4000, well it's the only high end reverb available where I live, I think I can get one for $40 for the day. Have never used a hardware verb before, would be lovely I think to get something like the bricasti but I don't think u can hire them here. So would it be difficult to get what I'm looking for with, no experience whatsoever, from what i hear the tc is quite a clean verb and I want warm and vibey. Have posted the song so you can hear what I mean.

[butterfly]

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[Westmalle]

I don't like trueverb, but use Rverb.

I don't like the voice recording. It sounds like it is recorded in too close and a in a box. It has too loud s'es.

Try some rbass on -20dB on 110hz , try to lower the s'es .

I would play the vocal track in a church and pick up the acoustics with a good pair of mikes.

but still , the reverb will not mask the original box sound I'm afraid, unless you use tons of it.

[locosoundman]

I also generally prefer the RVerb to the True Verb if I have to choose from only Waves plug-ins.

The TC would definitely be better than either.

[butterfly]

cheers westmalle, yeah I recorded it in the hall of my old flat. Which had a little bit of an acoustic. I was considering re-recording it. But don't know. You mention it being recorded too close. If I was recording it as an "art" song with piano then yes i agree. Thing is I want to combine a certain intimacy with the expansiveness of the refrain, so it's really tricky, not really how to achieve the effect I'm looking for. It's a bit of a conundrum since it's not really harmonically complex enough to be considered an art song yet it's too "arty" to be considered electronica.

[Westmalle]

If you want that intimacy, you could rerecord it close, in a church with a long reverb tail,
or in a dry place.
I would record the voice stereo to give it depth.
Now it sounds a little bit nasal, grainy, and s'y.
A bit of Waves MTB can improve the sound drastically.
the reverb can be made huge, by widening it a bit with the Waves shuffler.
I think, the hall sound will interfere with the added reverb.

[butterfly]

Hmm interesting Hadn't thought about recording it in stereo. Well to be honest only have single channel pre, which probably isn't ideal for the job, tla 5051. Yes there is no compression on the vox, tried it but didn't like what it did to the sound, lots of automation, as the top notes were too loud. i actually recorded the vox pretty much accapella and built the track round that. And to be honest there are one or two things I don't like about the vocal which I would like to improve, feel the breath doesn't flow as smoothly as it might in the earlier verses, so maybe a re-record might be good, I kind of know what I want to hear but it's a tricky balance, combining I suppose good mic placement, the right acoustic, the right gear and of course most importantly a good vocal performance. I never really like recording this kind of vocal with cans as I end up coming off my support and crooning. So lot's to consider.